U. of Cincinnati prepares for riots as bodycam video showing death of #SamuelDubose to be released..

Twitchy ^ | 7/29/15 | Twitchy staff

[barmag25]

The University of Cincinnati is reportedly closed down this afternoon as police officers prepare for potential riots over the death of an unarmed man who was killed by university cops during a traffic stop last week.

Samuel Dubose, 43, who is black, was shot and killed by white UC Officer Ray Tensing after Tensing reported that he was “dragged” by Dubose’s vehicle and “had to fire.” The shooting, called “not good” by Cincinnati Police Chief Jeffrey Blackwell, was captured on Tensing’s body camera and is set to be released today:

[dragnet2]

Pretty much sums it up. Very unfortunate, certainly no winners here.

What is the cop 25 years old? To be honest, I’d never put someone out there on U.S. street at that age. 30 and up for the streets seems reasonable. The real young work well in war, but on civilian turf it’s a bit scary from my perspective/experience. Other opinions may vary.

Inexperienced, young, gungho, gets to do traffic stops off campus. Looks good to him no doubt. I think this was actually outside his designated area to patrol around the school. Stupid suspect, he knows the game and decided he wanted to go. The officer used deadly force when it was not called for. Then it appears based on multiple statements/reports/radio traffic he lied several times.

Very unfortunate for all.

[re_nortex]

You do realize that crime is at or near all-time lows right now, right?

Those are the numbers propagated by the lying lamestream media. The drivebys are also trying to persuade the gullible that the economy is doing great. Those claims are not the reality.

Conservatives refuse to buy the lies from the enemy media. Crime rates have soared since hussein illegally seized control of the Republic. In particular crimes against whites by Mexicans and blacks are at stratospheric levels ad evidenced by the mob violence of "polar bear hunting" and the "knock out game". Add to that the mass shooting by mooselimbs. The situation is just terrible and it will take a Reaganeque leader to restore a sane and safe America from these perilous times.

[Ronaldus Magnus]

Maybe you could kick up the dust of deceit a bit more.

The only deceit I see on this thread are your wildly oversimplified presumptive condemnations.

Repeatedly stated by the officer shooter and his partners, “He was being dragged by the vehicle and had to fire his weapon."

Yet again, please see my posts #235 and #248 for a detailed explanation of why your application of this word to this situation is potentially false.

How does that work when the officer was standing when the suspect was shot to death?

Again, Officer Tensing would have had to make the decision to shoot before he was pulled off of his feet and his body was pulled along the ground since any aimed fire would have been impossible at that point. Officer Tensing could then have been run over by the rear tire or abraded to death by the road. Having his hand hypothetically grabbed by the driver of a car in gear with its engine on with the driver showing a clear intent to illegally drive away meets my definition of "drag" regardless of the speed of forward movement.

[Ronaldus Magnus]

What specific conclusion or judgement rush are you referring to?

Almost all of your posts, such as #254, #258, #262, #273, and #275, have unqualified condemnations of the officer(s) guilt.

They have the videos, they have the cops verbal statements and they have the cops signed reports. What rush to judgement?

There is a multitude of evidence that we do not have access to such as the dash cam, other witness statements, the underlying context of the traffic stop, the autopsy report, ballistics analyses, and crime scene data. All of this will become available during a trial and may affect the determination of guilt.

Are there unknown facts or witnesses?

We won't know that until the defense rests.

Will the officers not support or standby their own statements and reports which were completed after the event?

None of us have any idea. There also may be facts established outside these reports that may change their interpretation.

What rush to judgement?

See above.

[dragnet2]

You have your own perception of what is known and the available evidence. And I must say your perception of this is very creative.☺

[dragnet2]

That's an amazing story btw.

So before the officer was pulled off his feet and pulled or drug to death under the vehicle and killed, he wisely shot first before that could happen?

I want to make sure I have this right.☺

[Ronaldus Magnus]

You have your own perception of what is known and the available evidence.

I listed the evidence that I haven't seen released in my post #384.

And I must say your perception of this is very creative.

You seem to have missed or forgotten post #260. Ridicule is the pathetic recourse of a weak argument, and your posts contain little more than ridicule.

That's an amazing story btw. So before the officer was pulled off his feet and pulled or drug to death under the vehicle and killed, he wisely shot first before that could happen?

There is nothing "amazing" about this tragedy. Mr. Dubose appears to have started his car and put it in gear. He thus exhibiting his intent to drive away against Officer Tensing’s lawful command. If Officer Tensing’s hand was held by Mr. Dubose or somehow trapped in that car, then it was likely a good shoot. Officer Tensing is permitted to use deadly force to defend his life. He doesn't have to wait to be knocked over and run over before justifiably employing deadly force. Mr. Dubose would bear the full responsibility for his own death.

I want to make sure I have this right.

I applaud your effort, it would be a first for you on this entire thread.

[dragnet2]

I was referring to your comments being amazing not the actual event. Come on. We very much differ on the interpretation of available evidence. It appears his superiors he works for also agree this was a very bad shoot. Maybe you know more than they do? They certainly do not agree with you.

There is reportedly a second video. Ya ought to watch it if it exists and comes out. Btw, no reason for you to be baiting or be butt hurt over this event or anyone on this thread. Been pretty civil until now. And lose all the #’s annoying garbage. Feel free to quote something you don’t disagree with or like. I can be much less civil than you, ok? No need to go there.

[JLAGRAYFOX]

Look folks, just another Obamabot thug with a rap sheet as long as your arm, no driver’s license and a wise guy!, to boot!!! The cop overreacted, but, with good reason, because he was standing in a dangerous zone, for this “Obama” low life thu.......trying to injure him, when he attempted to drive & run away!!!

This over, politically correct, charge will not remain murder....manslaughter would be more fitting!!! IMHO......both the Obama thug & the cop equally hold the guilt of this man death...which was caused solely by his own unlawful actions!!!

[Cletus.D.Yokel]

:: Are they looking for bigger ratings ::

Unfortunately, your use of a word that has “igger” among its characters (ref: your “bigger”) will be seen as racist; assuming you are a WASPY type.

Ve must eliminate all vords that have “...gg...” in their schpellingk.

Correspondingly, we must also ^control^ the use of words that might create race-emotions due to highly comical and possible dyslexic properties such as “navigator” which risk inappropriate pronunciation such as “niggavator”.

[LaRueLaDue]

Take a hike. Don’t call me a liar and stop the insults. Don’t presume you know anything about me.

People like you really screw up a site.

[LaRueLaDue]

[...] They don't have the manpower to go get them somewhere later. [...] More realistic to just get rid of all those silly minor traffic laws altogether. [..]

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Yeah, I can see that. Maybe just mail them the ticket might work too..

[LaRueLaDue]

“They not only shot this guy to death for no reason, they then lied about it in an effort to coverup what actually occurred.”

Yeah, all-round primo effort by the officer there... But, I think he will ultimately pay for it.

[JimRed]

Anything to justify murder.

Murder requires intent to kill. Prove that this cop intended to kill the "victim".

[JimRed]

But it does and the main reason is that crime is rampant, our society is rotting.

You do realize that crime is at or near all-time lows right now, right?

The ease and ubiquity of instant communication means that we hear about every little infraction, many of which we never would have been aware of in the past, almost in real time. That creates the perception that crime is rampant.

[Conscience of a Conservative]

Murder requires intent to kill. Prove that this cop intended to kill the "victim".

Intent to kill can (and often is) proven through the actions of the defendant. Here, the defendant--a police officer trained in the use of firearms and the laws governing the appropriate use of deadly force--unholstered his firearm, pointed it in the direction of the victim's head, and discharged it from a distance of approximately one foot. The prosecution will have no problem proving intent.

[dragnet2]

His hands were up and gun was stupidly pointed with finger on trigger and kid was shot.

We did frame by frame several times to give the cop the benefit of the doubt. And that seemed very apparent to us as well. He appeared to have raised his hands arms up just about the time he was shot in the head.

[Trailerpark Badass]

You do realize that crime is at or near all-time lows right now, right?

I have not heard that crime is at "all-time lows." I doubt that completely.

You may mean that crime is down from all-time highs in the period from the mid-60's, culminating in the highest rates in the mid-90's.

Most of us were adults back in the mid-90's, as well, so remember the time well.The drop in crime rates are a result, primarily, of demographic changes, with far fewer of the population being in the prime years of criminal activity. The increase in the states that allow and will issue concealed-carry permits made a difference, as well as the end of 1970's lenient sentencing for violent crime.

If crime rates are down now, it's due in some part to getting serious about rising crimes rates in the 80's-90's. That's no reason to get complacent or argue that concern about crime is misguided.

No serious person would argue that crime rates are lower because society has gotten better at respecting the lives and property of others.

[GOYAKLA]

Is this OfficerTensing. related to the, married couple. attorneys that used to speak on FOX News? It seems to me they had the same surname. I also believe she was a Federal attorney with G. Bush’s terms.
Thanks, for any reply!

[MWestMom]

Victoria Toensing is the attorney that was seen on FOX news. Her husband is Joseph DiGenova. DiGenova and Toensing have a law practice in Washington DC specializing in white-collar criminal defense, regulatory inquiries, and legislative advocacy.