Yiss, yiss, I Been Told Zissss....
Posted on 07/25/2015 2:15:15 PM PDT by ken5050
On 4/23/2007, Jim Robinson posted a manifesto, "Giuliani as the GOP presidential nominee would be a dagger in the heart of the conservative movement" (and a knife in the back) . The thread was subtitled, "The only difference in a Liberal Rudy Giuliani and Liberal Hillary Clinton is the fact of which bathrooms they select to use and there are some who are willing to even question that.
So far he is not supportive, but he is also supportive.
What is the point of picking on JR?
Yiss, yiss, I Been Told Zissss....
Much.
Free Republic is no more a blog than an Aircraft Carrier is a rowboat.
Why do you care what they say? They have sold us out. Of course they are going to jeer. That doesn't make them right. Or safe.
Amen, Laz. Amen.
Cute, but inaccurate.
And let me add, I can visually take Trump's hair-do better than Rick "No-Eyes" Perry's horrible black-framed, coke-bottle-bottomed eyeglasses.
Leni
I’ve decided to send myself to bed without any supper tonight.
Lovin' your tagline, Yaelle. :-)
“And I agree with YOU on all your points. You expressed my big fear about Trump, given his substantial support for Hillary in the past.”
Trump is saying things right now that he knows will appeal to people with common sense. There is tremendous frustration in this country right now because the people who are leading the Republican party refuse to articulate basic common sense solutions to basic problems (immigration is a good example). I suspect that GOP leaders simply fear the media more than they do their constituency - very disappointing because many just want to see someone in a GOP leader position demonstrate the courage of his/her convictions. Trump appeals to those people right now.
But Trump’s checkered record leads me to believe that he is fool’s gold. He is first and foremost an opportunist and is not to be trusted. The fact that he will not rule out a third party run is all the evidence anyone should need to rule him out. Since he knows a third party run cannot be successful, his presence in the race even now is more about his ego than about the causes he espouses.
Walker is the only one I trust at this point to do the right thing. He has taken big labor on and won. He will have to play the dirty game of politics like the rest, but all the rest have already compromised themselves too much for my liking.
“But what I fail to understand is why Jim Robinson has not as yet banished all the “Trumpsters” from FR? What, pray tell, makes “the Donald” acceptable here, whereas Giuliani was not?”
Jim Robinson likes Trump, I believe. Trump is a fighter, a doer, not a sit on your hands and do nothing but talk politician. Trump built a real estate empire worth 6 billion dollars plus. He’s worked hard all his life. He does what he says he wants to do. His last move is in creating a website for Vets to go to, to vent their spleen on how they have been treated. A Vet hotline, as it were, that Trump plans on following up on what they say.
Many Freepers were once more liberal than they are now as was Trump, and Trump was in a very politically delicate position for many years if he didn’t want to have his business empire destroyed by Dem politicians, especially in NYC where he operates out of. An example of what would have happened to him if he were overt in his political opinions back then is what is happening to him now that he has come out squarely on the conservative side. Trump is voicing loudly and clearly for conservative principals and policies. Dem politicians are thus, as he knew they would, trying to destroy his businesses (see Mayor deBlasio from NYC for the prime example of this). Trump’s no dummy. He knew what to expect and the Dems are acting true to character (or should I say from the lack thereof).
One of my oldest friends was pro-choice and voted for Clinton the first time around. She adopted two children, I worked on her for years; she is innately very intelligent and overcame the brainwashing she had received while at college to adopt a stance on abortion now that is a bit to the right of Attila the Hun. Life is not static. People change. I believe that after 6 plus years of the Obama regime, Trump has gotten an eyeful. He has changed for the better because Trump is basically a nationalist, part populist, pure capitalist and loves his country.
He’s figured it out because he has that somewhat rare quality these days, common sense, and because he has built his business empire well and can now devote his time and turn his attention to politics on a full-time basis. He is older and wiser, and his adult children are now taking over the reins of power. The Donald is freed up, in the best sense of the word free, and has come down hard on the side of conservatism.
Trump’s change philosophically has all been to the good, not to the dark side of Dem beliefs. Why would you knock that? Trump, like many of us, improved with age. And Trump is beholden to no one. He’s rich. This is our party’s chance to have the best of both worlds, an inside the Republican tent outsider, because Trump is a businessman, a doer, not a politician all talker as a career choice.
Trump leaves the door open slighly for a third party run as a threat mechanism, because he has most of the Repubican RINO establishment types attacking him relentlessly at the moment, and it’s one way of obliquely telling them to mind their P’s and Q’s and not take it too far. A smart political move by one who is not a politician, wouldn’t you say? I would do the same. Let the threat hang out there. We all know why he is doing this. He’d be stupid not to.
But Trump doesn’t have any need to go third party, does he? He’s number one in the Republican polls. A whole lot of people don’t believe as you do right now. I accept that could all change, as politics are one of the most fluid of the arts. I highly respect your opinions here on FR, and even on this topic. I just believe you are plain wrong. One of the two of us is off kilter here, and time will tell. I hope it’s you that is wrong, lol. Just sayin......
Guiliani, by the way, held his liberal beliefs throughout his run for President. He did not retract or modify his beliefs on gay marriage, abortion, etc. He came into his campaign with those beliefs. He has kept those beliefs to this very day. He has not have an epiphany at any point in time in his life, he has stayed hardfast in those beliefs to this very moment. Guiliani has a true liberal streak.
Trump does not. Trump has eschewed his earlier more liberal positions over the years, they have dropped one by one, like flies, and as with my good friend I referenced above, Trump has “evolved” into someone who now is very much a conservative.
You can claim he is lying I suppose. I maintain a whole lot of our 16, soon to be 17 Republican candidates are lying in one way or the other on a variety of topics. Prove me wrong here just as I ask you to prove that Trump is somehow lying to the whole nation in what he is saying to us. We can’t be sure about any of them, and they all have said or done things policy-wise that would not be considered purely conservative. All have fallen short of the glory of God. But we must choose one of them. I choose the one I think could actually win.
I trust a businessman outside of the system more than a politician within it, that when they get into office they don’t start backtracking on the issues they espoused during their campaigns. This, as we all know, has happened all too frequently. Take a look at some of the current crop of Pubs (not all of them) in Congress. In particular the leadership, such as the likes of Boehner and McConnell. What a disappointment. Life, just as in picking candidates, is a crap shoot. You never really know until they are in office what you actually bought at the ballot box.
By the way, I agree with you about purges; I’m not for them in general, lol, as I was one of the victims of the purge, although it was what I said about Gingrich, not about Guiliani. But, a purge is a purge. I treat it as a blip on the screen of Freeper life, and here I am, still around for the last 17 years on this website. I believe purges should not be for supporting a particular Republican candidate that can be sorted out through hopefully intelligent debate on this site, and may the best man or woman candidate win our support, but for egregious behavior such as being an overt troll. No infiltrators are needed.
I assume you are being tongue in cheek about wanting purges of those that support Trump, which are the majority of people now posting on this site. You are making a point about what happened to Guiliani supporters (and over other candidates too, as I well know) when many were purged. But I am also assuming you want that same free debate over candidates you wanted back then to take place now, including debate about Trump.
I believe that is what is happening, as I have seen no zot’s taking place because of who supports a particular candidate this time around. As that is the case, I am a bit suprised at your rant as there is no overt proof of a repetition of the “purges” era taking place now (keeping our collective fingers crossed). You have a long memory and I’ll bet you’ve been holding this grudge in for quite a while, lol, and not without merit. Things are as they are though, and Jim Robinson is indeed the owner of this site, as we both know.
Trump is a fighter, a doer, and I openly support the one man who is out there actually sticking up for Main Street as opposed to K Street and Wall Street. The old silent majority, and there are many. Trump will bring in what used to be referred to as the Reagan Democrats also. Just look at the polls. And this is after the MSM, the Dems, and the RINO establishment GOP talking heads have done everything within their power to derail and do in Donald Trump. He’s still standing, bless his soul. Takes the punches, doubles and triples down, and carries on to accomplish what he considers his political and ideological goals.
Trump is the Patton of Politics, and that is why the mainstream folk are flocking to him. They feel he is one of the few people on their side and speaking to what they are all thinking. If he is snookering all of us, he will pay for it one day, in heaven or on earth, and Trump has always been a Christian, but we take our chances with all of these politicians, don’t we. With the exception of Cruz, whom I trust the most out of the lot, I trust few others. That is because Cruz follows up on what he says he will do. And Cruz, by the way, is on Trump’s side.
May I ask who you favor in this primary race, and why?
Where did rooty get his money and where does Trump get his money? You may find part of your answer there.
LMAO
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Its JR’s site, I guess he can do what he wants.
Bush the Republican didn’t try to close the borders ,end abortions,BUT he did greatly expand the federal government power and debt.And called bill clinton his “brother”.Then there was the pandering go the House of Saud post 9/11.
I’ll vote for an imperfect loudmouth America first man over another of the one world Bushes.
If that happens he can start with me first!
Trump is not my first, second, or even third choice, but if he wins the nomination I have no problem voting for him.
Nobody will ever tell me who to vote for again, especially if the choice is an effin’ rino.
What kind of Freeper posts a vanity thread like this and then “runs away”
from the conversation he created?
I have not known him for 10 years.
But I do know this. If you are going to post a vanity thread like this,
be brave enough to hang around and defend it.
Not run and hide.
“And I agree with YOU on all your points. You expressed my big fear about Trump, given his substantial support for Hillary in the past.”
What part of Hillary was a Senator from the State of New York that Trump primarily did business in, in the cutthroat real estate business that is easily regulated by politicians, do you not understand? Like most businesses, he contributed to both sides. Corporation do it, banks do it, financial institutions do it, small businesses do it, that’s if they want to survive in a hostile business environment. That’s if they don’t want to end up bankrupt because of oppressive rules, regulations and political interference. That’s just life.
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