[KY] State forbids pastors calling homosexuality 'sinful'

WND ^ | 7/24/15 | Bob Unruh

[markomalley]

The state of Kentucky has begun imposing a religious test on volunteer pastor counselors in its youth division, insisting that they refrain from calling homosexuality “sinful” and dismissing those who cannot bend their religious faith to accommodate the state requirements.

The policy was uncovered by Liberty Counsel, which has sent a letter to Bob Hayter, commissioner of the Kentucky Department of Juvenile Justice, demanding that the state religious test be dropped and that a dismissed counselor be reinstated.

“Liberty Counsel writes regarding the blatantly unconstitutional revocation of volunteer prison minister status of ordained Christian minister David Wells, who has provided voluntary spiritual counseling and mentorship to juvenile inmates under the control of the Department of Juvenile Justice. … This revocation was issued by Warren County Regional Juvenile Detention Center on the basis of the April 4, 2014, DJJ Policy 912, which mandates full DJJ support of homosexuality and transvestism.

“With no evidence of any violation of DJJ policy on Mr. Wells’ part, his volunteer status was revoked by the Warren RJDC superintendent because he could not sign a state-mandated statement that homosexuality was not ‘sinful,’ among other things,” the letter said.

The policy states that DJJ staff, volunteers and others “shall not imply or tell LGBTQI juveniles that they are abnormal, deviant, sinful or that they can or should change their sexual orientation or gender identity.”

[Cedar]

Sodom and Gomorrhha

[HKMk23]

“Bob Hayter, commissioner of the Kentucky Department of Juvenile Justice”

HAYTER? Oh, now THAT’S RICH!

Really. Ya just can’t make this stuff up.

[Salvation]

**[KY] State forbids pastors calling homosexuality ‘sinful’**

What?

[luvie]

I don’t think that’s within their jurisdiction...God is the Judge of us all and He condemns it!

He trumps KY.

[luvie]

I don’t think F#%& Is a word that preachers or elders use, but I’m sure they can find some good biblical words to use to tell them where they can put their opinion. :)

[INVAR]

I don’t waste my time on “studies.”

Well, biblical illiteracy is epidemic these days. Most folks have itching ears and just pile into the Osteenification centers to feel good about themselves and where they are.

[MHGinTN]

“Osteenification”! I like it! Sounds like a hardening of the heart, a comfy laodicean church not disturbed by the Righteousness of God, focused on the lamps and the presentation of the lamp, without any oil in the lamps. Jesus spoke of five bridesmaids in that condition..

[TigersEye]

Thanks! I’d hate to be out there all alone on the deal. :-)

[editor-surveyor]

Biblical illiteracy comes from “studies” that play games with the word of God.

The GWT is not a path to eternal life; it is justice for those that had no respect for the word.

The First Resurrection is the only resurrection unto life.

It is the one and only moment at which YHVH’s elect receive their incorruptible body, permitting them entry to the realm of God. (1Corinthians 15)

[editor-surveyor]

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>> “ Jesus spoke of five bridesmaids in that condition..” <<

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The interesting thing about that is that the word calls all of them “Virgins,” thus definitely elligible for the wedding feast, but not all wise virgins.

They didn’t place the greatest importance on the things he asked of them.

[MHGinTN]

Try reading the 2nd chapter of 2 Thess, the whole thing, then read 1Thess 4:13-18. One clue to dispensational tools for understanding the bible is the use of the term ‘saints’. There are different saints, depending upon which dispensation you’re loking at. The Church Age Saints are different from Pre-Messiah Saints, and different from Tribulation Saints.

[MHGinTN]

When Jesus raised Lazarus from the tomb, after so long there that Lazarus had started to stink (he was decomposing), when Jesus raised him was that the first resurrection? When the quilt lady, Dorcas, raised to life again was she in the first resurrection? When Elijah raised the boy to life, was that boy in the first resurrection? When Paul restored the life to the boy who fell out of the upper floor window during that long night of preaching/teaching, was he in the first resurrection?

[editor-surveyor]

The key point of that chapter is Paul’s assertion that the Resurrection cannot come until the man of sin has revealed himself.

That is what the second epistle was all about. Until Satan has been cast out of the presence of the Father, and thrown down to Earth, to indwell Earth’s leader, Yeshua’s return cannot happen.

This is the dividing point in scripture between understanding, and mistaken improvisation of various kinds.

[editor-surveyor]

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>> “when Jesus raised him was that the first resurrection?” <<

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No.

He was resurrected in his natural biological body.

The first resurrection is when ALL who are to be saved receive that special body. The body that Yeshua described to Nicodemus; the one that can move invisibly like the wind.

[editor-surveyor]

No, there are most certainly not different kinds of saints.

That is a conniption that was invented to try to make a secret rapture possible.

2Thessalonians makes it impossible.

I’ve been where you are today in the past; I understand what you’re saying, but it just makes things fail to fit together.

I was raised in a GARB Baptist church.

[INVAR]

So then as some understand it - the First Resurrection is limited to 144,000 of the 12 tribes of Israel.

Everyone else hits the Lake of Fire after the GWTJ, because as you assert - only the First Resurrection is unto life.

The questions is asked, if there is a First Resurrection - there must be another or more in order for there to be a ‘first’. And if it is as some say - a resurrection to damnation - why does God have to resurrect the dead in order to cast them into the Lake of fire?

You assert only the first Resurrection is unto life. What is the point of more resurrections then? Judgment? Eternal life in ‘hell’? Would that not be similar to ‘Wake up and go to sleep”?? And if the First Resurrection is the only resurrection unto eternal life - how can there be another resurrection unto eternal life in hell?

Questions I’m oft asked. Curious how you handle them.

[Daffynition]

Speaking of *volunteers*, this most curious story; :

NYT: Jewish Group, With Hired Protesters, Opposes the Parade

Some of the most curious costumes worn along the parade route belonged to protesters.

Behind a barricade, a group of men wore the fringed Jewish prayer garment known as the tzitzit and held up anti-gay signs bearing the logo of a group calling itself the Jewish Political Action Committee.

“Judaism prohibits homosexuality,” one sign read.

But the men were not Jewish. They were Mexican laborers, protesting because they were paid to protest, said one of the men, who would not give his name.

Heshie Freed, a member of the political action committee, an Orthodox Jewish group based in Brooklyn, said that the men were supplementary troops, filling in for the Jewish students who would normally be called upon to demonstrate.

“The rabbis said that the yeshiva boys shouldn’t come out for this because of what they would see at the parade,” Mr. Freed said.

The group was fenced off from the parade, at Fifth Avenue and 15th Street, by the police. Parade-goers tossed open water bottles at the protesters and kissed defiantly in front of them.

Paid protesters, some of them from Mexico, held up signs on behalf of a Jewish group that opposes same-sex marriage.Credit James Estrin/The New York Times

[DoughtyOne]

Caww, I don’t believe God is the source of bad things.

He will allow Satan to send bad things.

Satan’s temptations are slick, and his power to deceive is second to none.

[DoughtyOne]

Thanks for the note of agreement.

[DoughtyOne]

Thanks for the note of agreement Mr. Apple.