A PERMANENT ANSWER TO SUPREME COURT AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ABUSES (Hostage)

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[Hostage]

THE SOLUTION

Now it is clear more than ever that the Federal Government needs to be checked BY THE PEOPLE AND THE STATES.

Neither morality nor common sense can be 'legislated' via Congress ***effectively***. It just cannot be done adequately.

We need our states to assert AS SOON AS POSSIBLE their Article V constitutional right to AMEND OUR US CONSTITUTION,

Article V

The Congress, whenever two thirds of both houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose amendments to this Constitution, or, on the application of the legislatures of two thirds of the several states, shall call a convention for proposing amendments, which, in either case, shall be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the legislatures of three fourths of the several states, or by conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other mode of ratification may be proposed by the Congress; provided that no amendment which may be made prior to the year one thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any manner affect the first and fourth clauses in the ninth section of the first article; and that no state, without its consent, shall be deprived of its equal suffrage in the Senate.

To understand what must NOW be done will require us to think deep and to think of something that as Mark Levin says “is a solution as big as the problem” meaning a solution that gets its hands around the ‘whole problem’. And it has to be quick because time is of the essence.

We should first take note to understand the following:

(1) It takes 3/4’s of states presently equal to 38 states to ratify a proposed amendment to the US Constitution thereby making the amendment a part of the US Constitution.

(2) THE MAIN REALITY: THE STATES HAVE NO POWER BEFORE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

Now some may think ... “but Congress can amend the Constitution”. Think about this. Will the present makeup of Congress amend anything to express the Will of the People? The answer is absolutely not, they won’t even get it into a committee.

Think about it some more in terms of the 10th Amendment. Is the 10th Amendment respected, observed, utilized? No, it is not. It has been subordinated by other amendments or ignored altogether.

Repeat the main reality:

THE STATES HAVE NO POWER BEFORE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

Understand why is this. Understand how this happened.

This lack of power is actually a loss of power as a direct result of the 17th Amendment extinguishing the power of state legislatures before Congress.

NOTE: the 16th, 17th and 18th Amendments were all from the year 1913. They were all a stain on the US Constitution and serve as a clear illustration of how ‘knee-jerk’ reactions to problems and conflicts of the day result in disaster. We must avoid these types of 'knee-jerk' mistakes by ensuring our amendment is both broad and specific AND IN THE SPIRIT OF THE FOUNDERS.

THEREFORE, if WE THE PEOPLE through our state legislatures are to consider amending our US Constitution by asserting Article V, then we must be very careful, very thorough, and we must understand the CORE OF THE PROBLEM. We must not be 'all over the map'. We must be united. In all likelihood we only get one shot at this in our lifetime.

The root of the problem is the 17th Amendment. We can propose to repeal it and some very respected FREEPERS advocate for doing just that. But in my opinion repealing the 17th Amendment takes too long and is not necessary to solve the problem. Also the 17th is laden with emotional symbolism because it gave a power to vote to the people. In effect, to repeal it will launch a debate and war in society that will end up following so many directions that it will smother the entire reason of why we needed to do it in the first place; we risk the reason for the repeal to getting lost in the noise and being forgotten.

Let’s look at the problem from a slightly different angle. If we can’t get at the root of the problem, can we get at the core of the problem?

The answer is yes.

An illustration is needed that shows how the power of Article V can be unlocked by the States to restore federalism thereby restoring our liberty and saving our Republic. Note this illustration condenses several of Mark Levin’s suggested Liberty Amendments and incorporates valuable input from concerned Freepers.

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AMENDMENT XXVIII

To redress the balance of powers between the federal government and the states and to restore effective suffrage of state legislatures to Congress, the following amendment is proposed:

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Section 1. A Senator in Congress shall be subject to recall by their respective state legislature or by voter referendum in their respective state.

Section 2. Term limits for Senators in Congress shall be set by vote in their respective state legislatures but in no case shall be set less than twelve years nor more than eighteen years.

Section 3. Upon a majority vote in three-fifths of state legislatures, specific federal statutes, specific federal court decisions and specific executive directives of any form shall be repealed and made void. ************************************************

Section 3 of the above illustration puts an end to the social tyranny of the federal government. The 28th Amendment can survive as a predominant amendment of the US Constitution when voters and state legislatures unite to fight together.

WHAT MUST WE DO TODAY?

(1) Strongly recommend the following must-see video of Mark Levin be watched, consumed and studied:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdZuV8JnvvA

(2) Strongly recommend everyone to urge their respective state senators and state representatives, and the people that work for them, to view it also.

(3) Put it on your to-do list to find out who is your State Representative and who is your State Senator. Get their names, addresses and phone numbers. You will be astonished at how accessible and neighborly they can be.

(4) Sign up here as soon as possible:

http://www.conventionofstates.com

[DiogenesLamp]

Which category are you in?

I have another category. Most amendments after the first 10 are disasters, and are illustrations from the law of unintended consequences.

Whatever they produce, will be a botch, and will make things worse, not better.

[Lazamataz]

We are at the point in history that words are powerless against these people. They are immune to it. They alter the meanings. Even your suggestion would be compromised, because it involves words. The only thing that will work with these people, is physical force.

[INVAR]

Call them on it. To their face. Force them to play their hand.

The tyrants are already way ahead of us in terms of demonizing and getting the populace to distance themselves from anyone and anything that they deem a threat to 'the people'. Heck NBC just reported that 'Southern White People are Monsters".

Did you miss the last few days over the Confederate Flag flap?

Look how quickly the majority have fallen into goose-step with the Fuherer and his agenda over that one issue alone.

I am already hearing a growing chorus of 'Obama is President. Disagreeing with the president is treason!'.

The fact is PJ, we are already at war with this ideology.

That we think we can co-exist along side it and simply shame it into complying with reason and civility is a lesson in insanity.

[DiogenesLamp]

Patriots need to redirect their anger from the corrupt federal government and start getting their constitutionally clueless local and state government leaders up to speed on the federal government’s constitutionally limited powers.

I disagree. I think it's time to get into your crash positions.

[INVAR]

We are at the point in history that words are powerless against these people. They are immune to it. They alter the meanings. Even your suggestion would be compromised, because it involves words. The only thing that will work with these people, is physical force.

Needed to be repeated in bold, because it is the unabashed truth that few are willing to accept and understand.

[GregNH]

Ping

[nathanbedford]

I do not expect ignoble politicians to behave nobly merely because we confront them with a new constitutional amendment. I expect them to behave differently because we confront them with a new constitutional process. I have made this argument to you before and it is yet to be acknowledged or answered.

If you want to justify revolution, going John Galt is hardly the way to gain the high moral ground. Article V is certainly a more direct path upward.

[Hostage]

> “The only thing that will work with these people, is physical force.”

Then you are dead because you are killed. How does that work?

Never mind answering that.

Please answer instead how you think the federal government will have constitutional authority to go against at least 30 states that have voided and repealed federal dictates.

I can tell you seriously that if federal forces move against states in violation of Amendment 28, then a shooting war may ensure that people fighting on the side of states are authorized. Authorization is a very important part of making war because it provide a basis for solidarity which is crucial to winning wars.

But such a shooting war has zero chance of happening because federal judges are by and large respectful of law. They will not move against states that have voided their rulings.

[nathanbedford]

Please see my other replies on this thread including #106.

[Lazamataz]

> “The only thing that will work with these people, is physical force.”

Then you are dead because you are killed.

Oh f***in well. I no longer give a s***.

[MrB]

Article V is now the last non-violent remedy to the tyranny that is taking over our society.

[Repeal The 17th]

Again, I thank you for posting this.
There are several here on FR that have posted their preferences for what
they think should be considered in an Article V Convention of States.
You have yours...I have mine...others have theirs.
I have this “train of thought” that I try to keep handy
to help me understand “what is broken” and the possible fixes:
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Can you explain what is wrong?
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In a government “of, by, and for the people”,
the people should not governed by career politicians.
Professional career politicians whose primary concern is re-election (power and money)...
The power of money in congress and the corruption that it causes...
Difficulty in removing a politician and federal appointees for violations...
A year-round congress that constantly searches for more things to do...
Voting by defeated senators and representatives in lame-duck sessions...

The usurpation of State Authority and People’s Rights by the Federal Government...
The usurpation of power from one branch to another...
Interpretations of constitutional language
(”the commerce clause”; “promote the general welfare”)
have drifted far beyond their original intent.
There should be an easier method to disagree or overrule the Supreme Court,
or else it has the final word and there is no balance of power.

Fiscal irresponsibility...
Those who are dependent on government vote to expand programs and increase its size.

There should be more control of the influx of illegal aliens and citizenship.
Representation in the House of Representatives is based on “residents” and not on “citizens”
and this allows areas that are overwhelmed by non-citizens to have additional representation.
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So, what could an Article V Convention of the States try to correct?
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Make being a “career politician” impossible or unattractive.
Repeal the 17th Amendment, and apply the same language of the 22nd Amendment
(limit of 2 terms for the president) to the House and to the Senate.
Congress should be adjourned from July 1st - January 1st.
Congressional salary should be equal to the average wage in the U.S.
Congress should not be eligible for pension, retirement, or paid healthcare.
Defeated politicians should not be able pass legislation.
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Require approval from the House and the Senate for all federal legislation
and “sunset laws” not to exceed 10 years from the date of issue.
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Non-Citizens should not have representation in the federal government.
Change the way seats in the House are appropriated by having the census count
“citizens” instead of “residents” or “inhabitants”.
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Repeal the 16th Amendment and substitute a National Sales Tax on all retail goods
and services to be collected by the States with no exceptions or exemptions.
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The Supreme Court should not have the final word.
The Supreme Court has no authority to write, re-write, alter,
or amend congressional legislation or administrative law.
If the Supreme Court finds any portion of a bill, law, legislation,
or regulation to be unconstitutional, that ruling must be applied
to the entire bill, law, legislation, or regulation.
Provide for a provision for congressional over-ride of the Supreme Court
with 2/3 vote of the House and the Senate (not subject to presidential veto).
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The President has no authority to write, re-write, alter,
or amend congressional legislation or administrative law.
If the President finds any portion of a bill, law, legislation,
or regulation to be objectionable, his veto must be applied
to the entire bill, law, legislation, or regulation.
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Require Presidential Pardons to be approved by both houses of congress.
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Clarify and restore the original intent to “the commerce clause”
and to the meaning of “promote the general welfare” and “provide for the general welfare”.
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[nathanbedford]

As much as I share your disdain for the politicians who brought us to this place, I say that we must answer to our conscience and to our God for the carnage which we would ignite by resort to guerrilla warfare and inevitable terrorism against our own kind and against the world's greatest superpower possessed of all the Wiz -bang weapons.

Before I burden my conscience in such a way, I want to make damn sure that all reasonable remedies have been exhausted. Don't you?

[DiogenesLamp]

It is now obviously a mistake to think that we have any manner of control whatsoever over what is going to occur in this country form here on out.

The only thing that matter sin America any longer is the will of those with power.

That it, that’s all nothing else.

We have, on this day, gone over the edge.

As I said, "Assume Crash positions."

[Hostage]

Disappointed to see you are not IMO serious about discussing Amendment 28. Or if you were, then your view would require everyone to give up amending the US Constitution, get their guns and starting shooting; shooting what I don’t know.

I was hoping you could see that Amendment 28 is quite different because it doesn’t matter what the federal government does; it matters only what the States do.

[DiogenesLamp]

Term limits are the same as campaign finance contribution limits. They both stifle free speech. What do you have against the 1st Amendment?

Will you stop repeating your rant? Term Limits is an acknowledgement that incumbency gives office holders insurmountable advantages against challengers.

Once you can bribe the public with tax money, it is d@mned hard to pry you out of office because the Democrat free loaders will keep voting for you.

Such parasite enablers will destroy any nation if they are not controlled somehow. "Term Limits" is a pretty tame control, if you ask me.

[Lazamataz]

Disappointed to see you are not IMO serious about discussing Amendment 28

I apologize brah.

It's hard to really want to keep playing the game when the game seems rigged in every conceivable way.

I guess I'm getting tired.

I'm all about flipping the board over and telling the other players to eff off.

[Political Junkie Too]

That's the "them" I'm talking about. No more fawning over them anymore. No more "respecting the office" anymore. The Democrats are just being Democrats; it's the Vichy Republicans that I'm talking about. If it's over, then the honorifics are over, too. I'm saying we need to treat our own politicians the way the French treated the collaborators who sold out their neighbors for an extra meal and bed for themselves.

-PJ

[INVAR]

I expect them to behave differently because we confront them with a new constitutional process. I have made this argument to you before and it is yet to be acknowledged or answered.

The existing Constitution ALREADY HAD A PROCESS that was IGNORED AND NULLIFIED!!!!

Tyrants do NOT RESPOND TO PROCESS. They respond to force and the threat of force.

How can you expect tyrants to follow A NEW Constitutional Process when they have surrendered/ignored/rewritten wholesale THE EXISTING CONSTITUTIONAL PROCESS????????

When did the Executive get to make law by decree?? When did SCOTUS get the power to rewrite legislation to make it 'legal'?? When did Congress get the power to surrender it's duties to the executive???? When did the Senate get the power to create legislation and tax laws at the behest of the Executive ? Shall I go on?

How about those gross violations of 'Constitutional process'?????

If they can violate the existing - you are delusional to think they will abide something new that they refuse to comply with.

If you want to justify revolution, going John Galt is hardly the way to gain the high moral ground. Article V is certainly a more direct path upward.

Article V is NOT going to stop tyranny. Period. It is as foolhardy to rest all your hopes on that as it is in electing another politician to high office that will 'save us'.

Article V will be needed if we are able to tear down this tyranny and reset the Republic. Article V was needed 30 years ago to prevent where we have arrived.

But if your thoughts are to use Article V as a proof and justification that we exist under tyranny and that war is required - then I can agree with the attempt. As long as the understanding is that efforts will be made to sabotage and demonize the efforts and then with the expectation that this Beast in D.C. will ignore and render irrelevant anything restraining the Beast.

[chris37]

Yep!

The impact is rapidly approaching.