Posted on 06/08/2015 1:16:50 PM PDT by Pinkbell
In a minute, I will get to the two gay persons involved in exposing this and the porn history behind the magazine In Touch.
First, I of course want to say that Josh Duggar’s actions were inexcusable, lest anyone accuse me of supporting what he did. I realize the media would have had no “dirt” on them had this not happened. That said, I listened to the interview with his parents, and I listened to the interview with the victims. I do believe the parents tried to do the right thing. They ultimately did get him help and contact the authorities. Say what you will about the help that they got Josh, but it seemed to work. There has been no indication from even the media that he has ever done something since he was 15. If he has, then I take that back, but there is no proof that he has.
The thing that I am getting at is that this is bigger in the liberal media than I believe it would have been had this happened to a liberal family. When the news of this molestation scandal came out, the first thing that I thought is, "They finally got them." There are a couple different websites, one in particular, who have disliked the Duggars for years due to their conservative, Christian beliefs. The one thing the Duggars did which essentially "doomed" them was to speak out against the gay agenda. It's not that the Duggars have ever said they hate gay people. Michelle's sister happens to be a lesbian, and they still love her. The Duggars simply believe marriage is between one man and one woman and children need to have a mother and father. Michelle Duggar made a robocall against a transgender bill out of concern that a man could claim to "feel" he is a woman to be able to use the womens' room to prey on a woman or young girls. She never said that ALL or even a majority of transgender people are child molestors like the media is playing it off as.
That brings me to my point, one of the sites is a site where the majority of posters do not like the Duggars or "fundies" or conservatives in general. Anyway, this person was linked as the person who tipped off In Touch or at least helped. She and her partner are lesbians who gave the dirt to In Touch [no idea how she knew], but she has a history of not liking the Duggars. Michelle Duggar making a robocall arguing against transgenders in the bathrooms really set her and her partner off. They organized a gay "kiss in" in front of the Duggars home. She is very proud of herself, and here is a link to her claiming credit for the In Touch story:
http://imgur.com/QjT4Pwy
Second of all, the writer who broke the story for In Touch is a gay man who also broke the story of John Edwards with Rielle Hunter. I mention the latter because it does show he is willing to throw the other side under the bus for a good story, but I think he relished throwing the Duggars under the bus. He did an interview with The Advocate:
19 Questions With the Gay Journalist Who Brought Down the Duggars
Here are a few key questions I excerpted to illustrate my point:
The Advocate: Hi Rick. Congrats on the piece. How did you come to break this story?
Rick Egusquiza: Thank you. The rumors of Joshua Duggar being sexually inappropriate as a teenager were circulating for years, but no one could prove it until In Touch Weekly really started digging into it. My bosses received a tip and then sent me and a team to Springdale, Ark., to start digging around. One tipster led me to another, and then another. I have to say it was good old-fashioned reporting on the ground and a lot of door-knocking. Also a lot of leg work from our team of excellent reporters and editors. I'd love to take full credit, but it wasn't a one-man job.
Were you aware the family had a history of homophobia and transphobia?
I assumed they weren't fans of our community because they were such Bible-thumping conservative Christians, and I knew Josh Duggar worked for the Family Research Council. I learned a lot more about them when I was doing research for this story. I was disgusted by Michelle's robocall to the citizens of Fayetteville, Ark., regrading trans women and restrooms and comparing them to child molesters when she knew about her son’s actions.
Why do you think the Duggars are so popular?
Unfortunately, a lot of people in this country still have the same beliefs [as the Duggars] so they put the Duggars on a pedestal. On the other hand, I think a lot of the country and the world are very happy that their hypocrisy has been uncovered. Now, they’re more popular than ever though.
What's been your favorite response to the story?
When people thank me for doing God's work. Of course, now that the story is out, everyone I meet tells me the same thing, which is, "I knew it! I just knew something weird was going on in that family." Of course, "weird" is a major understatement; it was a crime.
Can't you dig up something good on that racist, antigay Duck Dynasty clan?
I’ll get on that, but I don’t think we’re done with the Duggars yet.
http://www.advocate.com/arts-entertainment/television/2015/06/04/19-questions-gay-journalist-who-brought-down-duggars
Here is some info regarding In Touch and its connection to porn as well:
The Wrap reported in 2013:
But an investigation by TheWrap has found that there is a darker side to the privately held company, including publication of at least one magazine appealing to neo-Nazis, as well as significant involvement in the distribution of pornography — including Nazi-themed porn movies.
These lend perspective to Bauer’s legal woes in the United States, including a $50 million defamation lawsuit by Tom Cruise, filed last October after two U.S.-based publications alleged he’d abandoned his daughter Suri. In fact, Bauer generates dozens of legal complaints worldwide each year about invasion of privacy or libel, according to a lawyer who has frequently opposed them.
http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2015/06/06/meet-the-terrible-porn-publisher-behind-the-outing-of-the-duggar-abuse-story/
The two sites mentioned have a lot of posters who have wanted the Duggars off the air for a long time, and the bottom line is because they are “fundies” or very conservative Christians. They were looking for something, anything to get them, and they got it. I saw one post from a poster who said they were disappointed this had to be this type of scandal because it involved molestation, but they wanted something, and others agreed. Another poster on the second forum who was a liberal was actually disgusted that some liberal friends on Facebook were rejoicing over this because they hate the Duggars.
These people say they just care about the girls...all while bashing their family by calling them a cult, creepy, weird, etc. and then proudly calling for the show to be cancelled...what they've wanted for years but didn't have a valid reason to do so. This isn't primarily about the girls to them, and Jessa said so last night on Megyn Kelly. This is about taking this family down all the while trying to be sympathetic. Does this journalist care what he put those girls through? They say they feel worse now than when it happened? No. He's proud of himself, and he is still digging.
My final point is that people say the Duggars are getting more heat because they held themselves up as “moral arbitrators,” and therefore, they are hypocrites. Isn’t this always the spiel with the liberals regarding conservatives? If a conservative has sinned or has a bad past, does that mean that he/she can’t speak out for conservative, Christian issues today? Josh, by all accounts so far, has turned his life around, so it’s not as if he is saying one thing and doing another. If he was still doing it or it was done as an adult and covered up, I would agree with them. Do they ever so severely call out their own who act as “moral arbitrators” for the modern, secular humanist agenda that rules today’s society?
“You are DELUSIONAL if you don’t think the DEVIL LIBERAL GAY community isn’t behind this.”
How did the gays make him molest his sisters repeatedly?
You are pretty dense for a Freeper. The Gay community OUTED him.....geesh LOuise....this place is getting thick.
“Michelle’s attack on trannies as child molestors also contributed.”
Do you have the quote of her saying that? Because according to this thread...
“Michelle Duggar made a robocall against a transgender bill out of concern that a man could claim to “feel” he is a woman to be able to use the womens’ room to prey on a woman or young girls. She never said that ALL or even a majority of transgender people are child molestors like the media is playing it off as.”
I acknowledged they were behind the release. I just feel it’s political not some satanic war on Christians.
She confirmed it in their interview, didn’t she?
Jimbo....Jimbo....Jimbo....with GAYS on the MARCH, the POLITICAL is to CLEANSE AMERICA of CHRISTIANS.
Sorry. Not buying that. It’s more accurate to say that the gays are winning at the ballot box.
Do you know any gay people?
Who are they?
It’s two different matters
I know Freepers love all in views
But this ain’t one
Josh was 14/15
He inappropriately touched or rubbed against several girls some pretty damn young like 5 I think
What should he have received as punishment
What would have made posters here satisfied?
Along same lines .....what would posters here have done were they the parents
What Josh did was quite wrong I’m pretty sure most here agree with that
But I also agree with the title
The gay media mafia went after them for their views and the lesbo chief helped them out
And Christ haters have a field day
Yet worse sex crimes folks are ignored or celebrated
People really hate this family
I find them weird and in cases troubling a bit
But on the other hand I found the girls interview very believable and they seemed normal
Normal enough to convince Megyn Kelly which surprised me
Posters here seem to insist on two camps
The Duggars are freaks who deserve scorn
Or the Duggars are wonderful
I’m just not sure aside from Joshs obvious guilt, the family’s oddity and the leftist medias hate
What to determine as a conclusion
Course that won’t stop Freepers
Facts are bended to suit what folks need them to be
That’s the nature of the Internet soapbox
How long have you been working for Vladimir Putin’s click farms, jimbo807? I hear the pay isn’t so great. But I guess that helps fuel your free-floating moral outrage.
Huh?
and the parents and family that covered all this up are supposed to be clean and pure in this??
The Duggars are trash, plain and simple
I believe she clarified what she meant.
From the transcript:
M. DUGGAR: I think that protecting young girls and not allowing young men or men in general to go into a girls’ locker room is just common sense.
Why not? What is she afraid of?
putting a pillow between the kids and covering it up wouldn't be it
You’re not answering the question
What is appropriate punishment for Josh?
And if you were a parent what would you have done?
I take it you don’t believe the two girls interviewed?
I’m not trying to be mean to you or anyone here
I hear a lot angst but I want someone to answer these two questions
Please
Remember it’s your family
I must be missing how his parents condoned his behavior
Can you explain it to me?
Would you have insisted the police charge your son for improper touching?
How do you do that?
I’ve a big family. I you or anyone to tell me how this is carried out
Do you think they knew the cop was a freak?
I appreciate your common sense. It seems rare on Free Republic these days. I feel like it’s the Twilight Zone.
Geron
That was a ridiculous clean and pure strawman
Let’s stay on topic
Geez
I know it’s killing you but I’m being polite
Somebody here nut up and answer please
The girls on TV said they never knew they were touched
They were like 11-13
And years later Josh cops this to his folks and they take him to the police and they all go for counseling
The girls seem far more messed up about the publicity than the touching
So somebody factually.,,.things you can back up....show me how the parents encouraged this
And what you would have done
And what to do with Josh
I understand there were two other girls as wel one of whom was younger
Josh was a turd no question and this Gothard guy was a freak too
Was he at their home or something?
Why is Megyn Kelly who’s usually a fire breather about this stuff sympathetic to them
I started very hostile about them but after viewing the Duggar haters in their campaign in public
Joshs issue aside
The Duggars don’t seem quite as bad to me as their haters
At least in the media
And yes they are strange. Especially the mom
But the girls convinced me and Megyn
Oh well
Fire away I’m used to it but don’t put words in my mouth please
I’m gonna watch a movie and I’ll come back for hugs and kisses later
Don't hold your breath waiting for an answer.
Thread after thread, some of us asked the same question of the people here screaming that he wasn't punished enough.
According to the Duggar parents and the two daughters, the boy went to the parents and confessed. So, we wondered what these people would do in these parents' shoes, if they had a 14yo son who confessed.
At first, their reply was "call the police," but they had nothing to offer past that.
Eventually, however, some of them did offer more specifics, and murder and castration were among their choices of punishment.
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