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What It's Like to Die, According to an ICU Nurse
Aleteia ^ | May 25, 2015

Posted on 05/25/2015 9:30:31 AM PDT by NYer

Palliative and intensive care units at hospitals have a close relationship with death, giving rise to many experiences that defy any rational explanation. Patients who foresee the exact time when they will die; others who seem to decide for themselves the day and the hour, moving their death forward or delaying it; family members' prophetic dreams or presentiments on the part of third parties who, without even knowing that someone has been brought to the hospital or has suffered an accident, are certain that he has died.

Only healthcare professionals who work closely with terminally ill patients know first-hand the extent and variety of these strange experiences. Science has not been able to offer any kind of answer, and so these experiences are usually described as paranormal or supernatural. This label is "too vague for the significance of these experiences," explains the British nurse Penny Sartori, who has worked for nearly 20 years in ICU.

Such a career is sufficiently solid for her to have seen everything, recognize patterns and come up with a hypothesis regarding these phenomena. So much so, that she has a doctorate on these questions, whose principle conclusions were published in the book The Wisdom of Near-Death Experiences (Watkins Publishing).
 
"Visions" shared with family members

Throughout her career, Sartori has interviewed patients who have had near-death experiences (NDE), as well as family members who have had shared death experiences (SDE). The number of these experiences and the repetition of patterns make her discard the hypothesis of chance, or of it being impossible to find a logical reason for this widespread phenomenon.

Her main thesis is centered on the idea that "our brains are separate from our consciousness. In other words, the brain may be channeling what some people call the soul, rather than responsible for creating it." This idea would explain, she adds, why "the soul and enhanced consciousness can be experienced separately from the body," as in NDEs or in Buddhist meditation. The examples that Sartori uses in her book are numerous, but they all tend to coincide in that the patients who have these NDEs are always those who end up embracing death most peacefully and happily, as do family members who have a premonition of the death of their loved ones. Why? According to interviews with these family members, it is because they are convinced that death is only the end of their earthly life.

Independent of whether they are believers, agnostics, or atheists, all of them have a dream or a vision about how their family member leaves this world guided by someone — spouses who have already died, anonymous beings or angels — and with a clear sensation of "peace and love." At first, Sartori says, "it struck me as odd that some family members of the deceased didn't feel sad after foretelling the death of their love one, but when I interviewed them I realized that they were peaceful because they had experienced this sensation of life's transcendence."

Choosing the "most appropriate" moment to die

This is the case of the people who, knowing when they will die, ask to be alone for a few minutes, or die exactly when a family member, who stays at their side constantly, leaves them for just a moment to go to the bathroom. Other equally noteworthy cases are those of people who die just after seeing a family member who has been delayed in arriving to see them because he or she was out of the country, or when all of the paperwork for inheritances and life insurance is finished. "They appear to be waiting for a specific event to take place before they can permit themselves to die," the nurse says.



John Lerma, director of the Tucson Medical Center and specialist in palliative care, has gathered examples very similar to those cited by Sartori, in Into the Light: Real Life Stories about Angelic Visits, Visions of the Afterlife, and Other Pre-Death Experiences (New Page Books). According to his reports, "70 to 80 per cent of his patients waited for their loved ones to leave the room before dying."

Sartori refuses to believe that these experiences are based on hallucinations. "It's not possible for several people to see the same thing and to be capable of describing it exactly the same way if it's really just a distorted perception of reality," she points out. Some theses are based on the famous theories of Prof. Raymond Moody, who coined the concept of near-death experiences at the end of the 1970's.

Her most novel studies center on experiences shared by people who accompany those who are dying. "They open an entirely new path of rational enlightenment regarding the question of life after death, because the people who talk about these experiences are healthy. They are usually seated next to the death bed of a loved one when they are overcome by one of these marvelous and mysterious experiences. And the very fact that these people are not near death rules out the usual explanations. Since their experiences cannot be attributed to brain chemistry disorders, we will have to go beyond this argument," she assures.

New Paths of Investigation

The way some people try to explain this phenomenon based on brain dysfunction, which Sartori calls "cynical," doesn't hold up with the examples of people who enter the hospital with late-stage Alzheimer's disease who suddenly become coherent.

"These are terminally ill patients who are incapable of articulating a single word, who surprisingly begin to talk completely coherently, interacting with people who are not in the room and who are often deceased family members," the author explains. Besides, she adds, "it often happens that after this experience they stop being agitated and end up dying with a smile on their face, usually one or two days later."

The argument that these visions are drug-induced isn't accepted by the author either because, she says, hallucinations due to medication "cause anxiety, the exact opposite of what these patients feel. “In her book, the author defends the idea that these kinds of experiences can be key for demonstrating the existence of life after death and that they should at least open a new direction of research (like some that are based on quantum physics) for scientific studies. She is definitely convinced that "death is not as fearful as we imagine."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: death; dying; faithandphilosophy; nde; neardeathexperiences; sde
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To: NYer
I know when I lost Mom in 2013, I visted her on the last day of her life. She was in a coma and her breathing was not going very well. I left that day, saying to her that "I'll be back, I have to go home and feed the cats and get me something to eat." As I was getting ready, I got the phone call she passed. I think she "knew" that if she passed away with me around, it would be so much more harder on me than what I experienced. It is hard enough. Losing Mom was my greatest fear, even more so than atomic war or ISIS. Even so, there are times she is watching out for me, many times like a guardian angel, I know she saved me from a car wreck and there are times I do have dreams where she comes back and talks to me in person and gives advice. I also need to get my car's timing belt changed and I'm of limited means. I prayed to God, Jesus and even asked Mom to "go to bat for me" on my dilemma and recently, my credit limit was raised. I hate to go into a little more debt by $500 but it is a lot better than having a dead car. I like the saying, "when the door is closed, God opens a window." Maybe it isn't exactly what you want or expected but it is an out.

Lastly, one of my cats who had kidney failure passed away on July 9th, 2004. We did a damn good job keeping her alive with it for 2 and a half years with a good quality of life up until the last week or two. July 8th is my birthday and I thinks she knew it would hurt me a ot for her to pass on that day so I think she "waited" until the 9th.

Some may think this is weird but I had another cat who passed while I was giving him medicine. Mom and I were so hurt even though we knew he was passing and was afraid we accelerated it. I had a very vivid dream where he came back to me and talked to me, I even saw his mouth move like Salem in "Sabrina the Teenaged Witch." (he was a black cat) He said to me, "God does exist and He told all of us cats to vote and send one of us 'down' to let you (me) know we are fine and happy and among the people in your family who have passed." He added, "I was voted to be 'spokes-cat' so here I am." I asked him about, "did we hasten your passing" where he replied, "it didn't matter much, it was my time to go, I could have lasted a day or two later but it was just my time. You dd the right thing or thought you did out of love and that's all you need to think about. We all had good lives with you and we are fine." After that, he said, "I have to go now" I said, "one more minute, I still need to ask where if I'll see all of you again" and he said, "yes" and then left. I know I still feel sad at times but at least I feel a lot better too.
21 posted on 05/25/2015 10:20:56 AM PDT by Nowhere Man (Mom I miss you! (8-20-1938 to 11-18-2013) Cancer sucks)
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To: Fido969
It has been 30 years since I lost my son. Two years before he was broadsided at an intersection, he had received a ticket for speeding. He was 16 then and I told him that I had had a premonition that he would die young. I wanted him to be extra careful. He laughed at me and told me I was being silly. In two years he was dead.
22 posted on 05/25/2015 10:21:42 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: dp0622

I think the brain is to the soul like a car is to a person, a vehicle so to speak, a way to interact with the world.


23 posted on 05/25/2015 10:22:39 AM PDT by Nowhere Man (Mom I miss you! (8-20-1938 to 11-18-2013) Cancer sucks)
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To: GreyFriar

Ping to an excellent and important article.


24 posted on 05/25/2015 10:23:22 AM PDT by zot
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To: RoosterRedux

A friend’s husband, who was dying from cancer, told his wife he was on the King’s Highway before he passed.


25 posted on 05/25/2015 10:24:35 AM PDT by DLfromthedesert (www.ouramericanrevival.com)
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To: NYer

Cat predicts 50 deaths in RI nursing home
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/7129952/Cat-predicts-50-deaths-in-RI-nursing-home.html


26 posted on 05/25/2015 10:26:52 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: SuzyQue

I often wonder about “uploading” our minds into a computer or robot, would our soul follow? Same with the transporter idea from “Star Trek” as well. I guess one plausible way to explain it and I could be wrong, but I think it COULD work this way. The soul is tied to the mind, some New Agers call it “The Silver Cord” if you will. Maybe where the mind goes, the soul follows until it is “time to go” via circumstances or “it is just our time to go.” I really am not sure on that one so I would not want to test this theory out, it is just an idea.


27 posted on 05/25/2015 10:26:59 AM PDT by Nowhere Man (Mom I miss you! (8-20-1938 to 11-18-2013) Cancer sucks)
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To: clamper1797
Having lived thru the passing of my beloved. I think that it might be easier on those who pass than those who are left.

Having had the same experience, I agree with you. Prayers of peace for you and your departed beloved.

28 posted on 05/25/2015 10:28:30 AM PDT by Maceman
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To: NYer

Excellent article. Thank you for posting.

“...brain may be channelng the soul...”

I attended the Mass in the Catholic cemetery (Our Lady of Angels in Colonie) this morning and the Bishop explained it like this: the timeless (and correct) Catholic teaching is that the soul forms the body rather than visa versa.

Of course, the Bishop articulated this better than I just put it. However, he basically stated that St. Thomas Aquinas articulated this belief in that way: the soul forms the body.

I looked it up, and he is referring to Aquinas’ explanation of hylomorphic unity and it is the opposite of what secularists believe; the brain/body forms the soul.

This perspective in light of the experiences of the caregivers in the article makes perfect sense, especially in consideration of the doctrine of the resurrection of the body that we believe in. The Bishop was explaining that the soldiers who died in battle are not actually dead and living just in memory, but in the sense of the future at the resurrection we will see them in their bodies. Scripture tells us that we are Temples of the Holy Spirit and it makes more sense when understood this way (that the soul forms the body).

The bishop articulated this in the best manner that I have ever heard it explained, and the phenomenon observed by the caregivers and family members in the article as the loved one is nearing death now makes perfect sense in light of the correct theology.


29 posted on 05/25/2015 10:42:09 AM PDT by stonehouse01
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To: clamper1797
Having lived thru the passing of my beloved. I think that it might be easier on those who pass than those who are left.

Absolutely. If they are saved.
30 posted on 05/25/2015 11:03:58 AM PDT by Old Yeller (Civil rights are for civilized people.)
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To: NYer
I read this post and feel compelled to tell the story of "my miracle".

I had planned open heart surgery in January 2012 because of a needed valve repair and four coronary artery bypasses. What happen afterwards was not at all planned and altered my life forever.

After surgery, I was sent to ICU from the operating room and two days later, as they were turning me over in bed to do an x-ray, I started having trouble breathing.  I had thrown a pulmonary emboli, a clot, into my lungs.  They put an oxygen mask on me to help me breathe but I continued to have labored breathing.  My wife, bless her heart, was there at my bedside while this was happening.  At one point, she said I pulled the oxygen mask off my face and cried out loud, "I think I'm going to die."  That's when I stopped breathing and my heart stopped beating.  I was in full cardiac arrest in the bed on the ICU ward.  They ushered my wife and all the other patient visitors out of the ICU to the chapel. My wife has been a nurse practitioner for her whole career and she knew my chances of surviving, even in the hospital, were risky.

Amazingly, the chief cardiac surgeon was on the floor at the time and rushed to my side, as did at least 12 other medical personnel to assist the surgeon. He cut my chest back open, cut the wire staples holding my breast bone together and proceeded to perform the miracle that saved my life.  He took my heart into his hands and started hand massaging it until after about 10 minutes, it started beating again. They cleaned me up as best as possible but left my chest open in case my heart stopped again.  Next day they took me back to the OR and put me back on the heart machine to make sure everything was okay. Two days later, they wired my sternum back together, but they could not stitch my chest wound back together because they had opened me up on the ward, which is not sterile.  They were worried about infection. So for two and a half months, I had an open chest wound. It slowly healed shut with the help of a foam vacuum machine. I remained in the hospital for five weeks instead of the normal five days that most heart surgery patients spend. I had two blood transfusions.

Fortunately, I do not remember anything first hand of what I have just told you, including arriving at the hospital for the initial surgery, the cardiac arrest, and nothing of the first two weeks after surgery. I was unconscious most of the time after the arrest because I was heavily medicated. But all that I have told you was relayed to me in detail after the fact by my wife, the surgeons and other medical personnel who were there and involved in the miraculous events when I had expired and was brought back to life.  Several told me later that the experience had a profound affect on themselves personally. I ran into the surgeon who massaged my heart back to life a couple of months after the surgery. He told me that he had performed that manual hear massage several times in his career but I was the first patient who had survived the ordeal. He said it was a true miracle.

I never thought I would have problems when I went in for the open heart surgery. I assumed it would go smoothly. How wrong was I. I cried a lot in the months after surgery, thinking about what had happened and how it has changed my life forever.  I have fully recovered now, but God was not ready for me to go back then.   I must say that I never remember seeing the white light people talk about but I did have a vivid dream for several months after this episode, about God reaching over into the dark abyss and grabbing me by my hair and yanking me back up to life to live a another day.  It was not my time to go. It is somewhat haunting to know you died but are still here to live again.

I thank the Lord and count my blessings everyday for the way things turned out. But for the grace of God, the help of the medical team and the prayers of those around me, I would not be here to tell the story of "my miracle."

31 posted on 05/25/2015 11:04:30 AM PDT by HotHunt
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To: NYer

I’ll never forget the hospice nurse, while in Mom’s room, telling us our mother was “actively dying”. She pointed out several physical characteristics that indicated that to the nurse.

Mom was gone less than two hours later. All of her children were there, hands on, when she passed peacefully.


32 posted on 05/25/2015 11:13:55 AM PDT by moovova
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To: moovova

Yes, watch for the hands turning blue. That’s how we knew it was imminent. Took about 20 hours, though. Waited until children arrived from out of town. Husband fell asleep for a few moments in the chair beside the bed in the wee hours of the night ,he woke up, and she was gone.


33 posted on 05/25/2015 11:25:21 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: zot; NYer

I agree, it is an excellent and important article.


34 posted on 05/25/2015 11:25:59 AM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: clamper1797

I agree with you. I lost my husband in January. His passing was peaceful, and I’m at peace, but the hours and days and weeks and months following have not been easy.


35 posted on 05/25/2015 11:28:34 AM PDT by Helen
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To: Yaelle

I read the book last fall. Definitely worth reading.


36 posted on 05/25/2015 11:31:03 AM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: NYer

My uncle Jack died a few years before his father.

When his fathers time came and the family were gathered around his bed “Pop” suddenly sat up in his bed, looked at a high corner of the room, smiled broadly and exclaimed” JACK”! Freaked the fam big time.


37 posted on 05/25/2015 11:32:13 AM PDT by TalBlack (Evil doesn't have a day job...)
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To: NYer

When the family leaves the room?

My theory? That is when the nurse increases the morphine drip.


38 posted on 05/25/2015 11:34:06 AM PDT by Chickensoup (Leftist totalitarian fascism is on the move.)
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To: moovova
My mom was actively dying for 3 weeks.

She was in our living room in a hospital bed. I would get up all hours of the night to check on her, to see if she was still breathing. But she just kept on going.

She was unconscious and her breathing was so shallow that she would go without a breath for 45-50 secs...and then take a little one.

She was at peace but she was just very stubborn and strong willed--even at 94. The hospice nurse would come in on Monday mornings and say, I can't believe she's still here. No food or water for weeks (I would give her a little water on a small sponge but she eventually even refuse that).

The hospice nurse humorously called her the "woman who refused to die."

A family friend at the bedside said "when God is ready, she'll go." The hospice nurse responded, "believe me, God's ready...I can almost hear Him tapping his toes. She's just determined to hang on."

The hospice nurse said she'd never seen anything like it and she's seen hundreds of patient's die.

39 posted on 05/25/2015 11:40:32 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (WSC: The truth is incontrovertible; malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end...)
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To: NYer

“Oh wow. Oh wow. Oh wow.”


40 posted on 05/25/2015 12:22:58 PM PDT by Obadiah (This is Bravo-6, we have Zips in the wire! I repeat, Zips in the wire.)
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