Posted on 03/24/2015 9:51:17 AM PDT by Red Badger
FULL TITLE: Search aircraft find the remains of Germanwings Flight 4U 9525 scattered all over an alpine mountainside: Riddle over why pilots didn't send SOS despite taking eight minutes to fall 32,000 feet
The final moments of Germanwings Flight 4U 9525 were shrouded in mystery today after air traffic controllers claimed they received no SOS despite the jet nosediving 32,000ft in just eight minutes.
All 144 passengers and six crew were today presumed dead after the Airbus A320 crashed in a remote region of the French Alps en route from Spain to Germany.
Two babies were among 45 Spanish on board and 16 children from the same school on an exchange trip were among some 100 Germans also feared to have died.
Images from the first rescue helicopters to reach the crash site showed wreckage scattered across hundreds of metres of mountainside, with some debris the size of a car.
Earlier reports quoted aviation sources in France as saying the pilots issued a Mayday distress signal and requested an emergency descent minutes before it hit the ground.
However, civil aviation authorities later denied that air traffic controllers received any such call.
'The aircraft did not itself make a distress call, but it was the combination of the loss of radio contact and the aircraft's descent which led the controller to implement the distress phase,' a spokesman for the French civil aviation authority said.
Germanwings chief executive Thomas Winkelmann said the aircraft began descending at 10.45am, a minute after reaching cruising height of 38,000ft.
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Funny I have heard about Western European leaders, but nothing from Turkish response... Either I missed it, or something is up.
When did this happen?
Not only Turkey has moslems..
the 1 from the Netherlands could be a moslem..or from Germany..
lets see some names...
At least they have recovered one of the recorders. This is a strange one. This does not look typically like flight into terrain. It does show characteristics of a high speed impact and the terrain may have masked the debris field "flow" you would expect to see as the plan skids on the ground in the direction of impact.
I still don't see anything from the video that would indicate scorching from fuel burn. It appears that the dark rocks in the gulch are a terrain feature.
This aircraft had an inspection yesterday.. At which time a bomb was placed on board? Any ‘Mohammeds’ on that inspection crew??? Did someone not show up for work today?
TIMELINE OF TERROR: HOW THE LAST 40 MINUTES OF FLIGHT 479525 UNFOLDED TIME
(CET) EVENT ALTITUDE (FEET) AIRSPEED MPH
10:01 Flight 4U9525 departs Barcelona for Dusseldorf
10:27 Flight reaches its cruising altitude without incident 38,000 520
10:29 Aircraft crosses the French coast just east of Marseille 38,000 532
10:30 Aircraft continues at its cruising altitude 38,000 547
10:31 The aircraft appears to have dropped more than 2,000 feet 37,975 549
10:32 The pilot fails to inform Air Traffic control of the drop in altitude 35,575 544
10:33 The jet continues along its course but has lost almost 8,000 feet 32,625 544
10:34 Radar returns show the jet starts to increase its speed 28,875 552
10:35 After five minutes, the aircraft has dropped almost 14,000 feet 24,650 560
10:36 The doomed jet passed over Montagnac-Montepezat 20,300 547
10:37 Next the jet passed Puimoisson Airport continuing its rapid descent 17,050 518
10:38 Seven minutes into the emergency the jet had lost 25,000 feet 13,300 496
10:39 Now the jet was passing the 4,000ft high Upper Bleone Forest 10,475 473
10:40 One minute from impact, the jet was 4,000 feet above the ground 8,250 442
10:41 Air traffic controllers lose contact with the aircraft 6,800 435
10:47 French Air Traffic declares an emergency
this morning..the plane left Barcelona at 10AM local time crashed at 10:30AM as soon as they got to level off..(one minute after)
well the article says 10:45 Ive also heard 30 minutes after take off...
A rapid depressurization would have sent a signal to the pax O2 doors and they would drop automatically when the cabin reached 14,000 pressure, but having the pax incapacitated would have been merciful.
Direct impact at speed.
Aluminum, plastic, and composites, impacting on solid rock at 500 miles an hour, just won’t leave much but small debris.
This morning Europe time, while we were asleep..............
Not necessarily. In an uncontrolled descent it might very well not present very good aerodynamics to its direction of travel. That would tend to work against the acceleration being produced by gravity.
With hussein’s White House ruling out terrorism, terrorism should be of immediate concern.
Something remarkable happened between 10:30 and 10:31. I don’t know whether it will take forensics and the black box together to find what that was, but I believe that they will discover the cause, and fairly swiftly.
If it “disntergrated in flight”, the debris would be scattered over miles, not hundreds of yards.
No, I think it was intact when it went in. There isn’t anything that supports any other theory, right now.
I come back to my original supposition from the main thread.
Gradual depressurization at altitude, not recognized by the crew until it was too late. Hypoxia at altitude is insidious, and very hard to recognize, until it is too late.
The descent was fast, but CONTROLLED. It did not overload the airframe.
This leads me to think someone turned the autopilot altitude down, maybe just before passing out?? The lack of a mayday is the key part, and what leads me to think Hypoxia.
It has happened before, several times.
Germanwings flight 4U9525 received safety warning just four months ago after sister plane went into tailspin
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3009337/Germanwings-flight-4U9525-received-safety-warning-months-ago-sister-plane-went-tailspin.html
Not a good sign if the aircraft has control and the pilot does not.
Well I went to an F4 crash site where the jet went though a forest at 600 kts and a shallow angle. The biggest piece of AC was about 1x2 feet the rest was confetti. The largest piece of of the crew was a piece of aorta 4 inches long....
“Unlikely with crew O2 masks inches away. At 38,000 they would have time to don masks even with an instant depressurization.”
Again, that’s why it sounds to me like gradual depressurization.
You mean like the Payne Stewart flight?
Hypoxia triggering an event on a commercial airliner is extremely rare, and when it occurs does not result in an impact in 10 minutes. There is nothing “insidious” about a loss of pressure on an Airbus. I am an Airbus captain.
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