Posted on 02/03/2015 9:05:39 AM PST by Enlightened1
As a mother of three, Kelly wanted to make sure to go “on the record” and state that she “vaccinated all of them. on time as the doctor prescribed.” She said she sympathized with parents who have been “given bad information” about vaccines supposedly causing autism and other problems. “Now there is good information,” she said, calling the science “certain” on the issues and saying she does not oppose mandatory vaccinations for children
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Ask her or any progressive: why not favor letting the UN enforce it?
This answer will come back: would like that, but there’s no authority in the Constitution for that.
Reply: It’s not in the Constitution either. Read the 10th Amendment. Then, if you want a vaccine-required state, move to one.
But the will to allow families, counties, and states to make nearly all decisions no longer exists in the West. It requires a faith in God’s will, a faith now lost to the faith in larger and larger oligarchic government.
No one is touching whether all should be vaccinated, starting with the undocumented.
Being Christian doesn’t seem to be relevant
Being educated is another matter. perhaps miseducated is a better descriptive.
The same battle was fought decades ago over fluoridation with the result the population has better teeth with which to withstand the rigors of advancing age
Obama results from the sanctimonious self righteous deciding their selfish view was what was best for America and not voting
"1. Force abortions (too many kids in a state of Emergency)
2. Forced sterilizations (too many kids in a state of emergency)
3. Seizure of property, citizens, bank accounts"
Although I won’t deny that immunization is not an exact science, I respectfully disagree that requiring parents to get their kids immunized to help stop the outbreak of a disease is the same type of things that you listed.
Having admitted they can violate constitutional rights for one health crisis why not another one?
And of course, if you were to permit guns to remain in homes with chilren those children must necessarily be excluded from school. After all, they might take one of daddy’s guns to school and harm someone. So exclude them all. The parents still have a constitutional right to keep their guns but it’s ‘too much’ to allow their children to attend public gatherings. And we’d better ask the whole family to wear yellow gun decals. Just so we know who the really dangerous people are.
After all, guns kill people.
Because we’ve never ever caught the CDC making up gun safety stats. Never.
Hmmm
I ask you the same question I ask others...does the state own the child?
Example: A God fearing Christian, conservative, gun owning, freedom loving, small government, family does research and finds that there is concern about a particular vaccine at a particular age. Are they criminals for choosing to postpone the vaccine until the child is older?
Interesting view of freedom you have there.
We held off on further vaccines for my daughter after she suffered a vaccine injury. My sons still got the ones we considered essential - polio, MMR, whooping cough. we skipped chicken pox, hep B and gardisil. None have had a flu shot. As a parent I reserve the right to decide what goes into my kids arm.
I believe vaccines to be effective, but I don’t agree with forcing them on anyone.
No it is the walking bombshell who is only good for one thing that is wearing the tinfoil hat.
Why not. Call it as he sees it.
Do you remember the Doctor who fraudulently linked the MMR vaccine to autism so that he could cash in with a competitor vaccine?
This thread reflects the same thing that got Terri Schiavo into trouble imo. More specifically, since the states have never amended the Constitution to expressly protect people like Terri, or to protect kids from getting vaccinated regardless what parents want, the states are free to “pull the plug” after due process, and also to force kids to get vaccines unless voters work with their state lawmakers to make laws which protect people from the state. And I suspect that voters haven’t worked with state lawmakers for such protections in most if not all states.
Again, I would side with the states to get kids vaccinated, problems with vaccines arguably the lesser of two evils with respect to a possibly greater number of kids alternatively being injured or dying from the outbreak of a nasty disease.
In what way was your child harmed?
Vaccinated against what? How many doses?
The vaccine schedule that worked in the 1970’s has tripled since then. Most of that since the manufacturers were indemnified in 1986.
Would you vaccinate against everything you could? Including things not transmitted casual contact-wise?
Would you let you kids be vaccinated with an experimental HIV vaccine? Would you mandate others do the same?
I’m just trying to find out if there’s a medical due process line you would draw for the state with your children or anyone elses for that matter?
And my gun control rant stands. Once you allow them to violate your constitutional rights in the name of public safety in the absence of immediate risk you can’t whine when they continue to do so. After all, guns kill. Hopefully you’re not so anti science to maintain that guns don’t, in fact, kill?
Your blatant sexism notwithstanding (towards a woman who is more successful than you could ever dream to be), you provide zero evidence for your argument. So, kindly zip it.
Thank you for your patience with this discussion Black Agnes.
In my previous post I indicated state-mandated vaccination with respect to the outbreak of a disease as opposed to getting vaccinated as a precautionary measure.
If you ask any toxicologist, he will tell you the fundamental law of toxicology is: "the dosage makes the poison."
There are micrograms of some of those substances [including fecal material] just in the air you breathe. Most vaccines no longer contain thimerosal. Those that do contain a microgram or less of mercury. Simply listing a bunch of things that are used as ingredients or in culturing vaccines means absolutely nothing.
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