Posted on 01/23/2015 7:32:10 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
WEST DES MOINES, Iowa – Billionaire Donald Trump, the most prominent “birther” to question Barack Obama’s eligibility to serve as president, asserted Friday that Sen. Ted Cruz must clear up legal doubts about his own eligibility due to his birth outside the United States.
“It’s a problem. It could be a difficult problem, but he admits that he was born in Canada,” Trump told reporters in Iowa on the eve of the first major gathering of 2016 presidential hopefuls.
“He’s a friend of mine. I have great respect for him. But …certainly it’s a stumbling block and he’s going to have to have it solved before he goes too far,” Trump said.
Cruz was born in Calgary, Alberta, on Dec. 22, 1970, while his parents worked in the Canadian oil patch. His mother is a native-born American. His father, a Cuban émigré who later became a naturalized American, was still a Cuban citizen at the time.
Cruz’s birth in Canada was never a secret. But it has proven a political liability, with detractors occasionally taunting him as “Canadian Ted,” and critics suggesting that his birth outside the United States makes him ineligible to run for president.
In August 2013, The Dallas Morning News reported that the circumstances of his birth made him both a Canadian and an American. The dual citizenship came as a surprise to Cruz and his parents, and the senator quickly vowed to shed his Canadian citizenship. That became official last June.
For Trump, that’s not yet good enough if Cruz wants to run for and become president....
(Excerpt) Read more at trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com ...
Can’t we just get along and go along! Every judidecimal court has determined and confirmed that BHO met the he-born-here and mom-was-US-citizen standard for POTUS eligibility. The two-citizen-parent POTUS eligibility thing is/was just a racist tool to prevent US citizens from marrying foreigners donchano. /s
The hair covers it.
The only federal election law is campaign finance law. The states control ballot eligibility. That is why Obama’s eligibility was challenged in about 30 different states in either 2008 or in 2012. The Chief Elections Officer (usually an elected Secretary of State) controls who is eligible under each state’s election laws with challengers having the right to file suit or appeal to state Elections Boards.
The Supreme Court did do its job, more than 100 years ago and the current court has simply let precedent stand and refused to overturn settled law.
For example, in 1898 the Court ruled in United States v. Wong Kim Ark:
[An alien parent’s] “allegiance to the United States is direct and immediate, and, although but local and temporary, continuing only so long as he remains within our territory, is yet, in the words of Lord Coke in Calvin’s Case, [7 Coke, 6a,] ’strong enough to make a natural subject, for, if he hath issue here, that issue is a natural-born subject’
“Subject’ and ‘citizen’ are, in a degree, convertible terms as applied to natives; and though the term ‘citizen’ seems to be appropriate to republican freemen, yet we are, equally with the inhabitants of all other countries, ’subjects,’ for we are equally bound by allegiance and subjection to the government and law of the land.’
and
“…every child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born subject, unless the child of an ambassador or other diplomatic agent of a foreign state, or of an alien enemy in hostile occupation of the place where the child was born.”
“The same rule was in force in all the English colonies upon this continent down to the time of the Declaration of Independence, and in the United States afterwards, and continued to prevail under the constitution as originally established.”
Current U.S. Law {8 USC 1401} covers Senator Cruz’s birth circumstance. A “Citizen of the United States at Birth” includes: “g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years:” That covers Calgary, Canada-born Senator Cruz, his Cuban born father and his Delaware born mother.
There is no current distinction in law between a Citizen of the United States At Birth and a Natural Born Citizen. The terms are synonymous.
lolz...
Some say that Obama is the very person the Founding Fathers had in mind when they stipulated only a natural born American citizen for POTUS. Obama’s loyalties are nothing if not divided. His father not only wasn’t a citizen, he didn’t want to ever be a citizen. In fact, he hated the USA. This is the man to whom Obama dedicated his memoir.
And it shows. During his entire time in office Obama has done nothing but criticize, apologize for and undermine America. Everything he does and everything he says favors foreigners over American citizens. He is the most destructive, anti-American POTUS in history, and there is no competition. He stands alone.
Just coincidence? Or is this not exactly what the Founding Fathers tried to spare us.
The answer is obvious.
But yeah, we're so much smarter than our founders. We know better what they really meant.
Post Constitutional period full steam ahead!
The Framers were wise enough to provide a process to alter their original thinking on any issue. The Framers did not believe that Senators should be directly elected by the people. The Framers did not believe in a federal income tax. The Framers did not believe that “other persons” should be counted as more than 3/5ths of a free white male for purposes of apportionment. The Framers did not believe in women’s suffrage.
Since 1865 and the adoption of the 14th Amendment, there has been no distinction between a Citizen of the United States at birth and a natural born citizen.
If those in the eligibility challenging movement could uncover a direct quote from any of the 39 Framers who signed the original document stating that two U.S. citizen parents are required in order to be a natural born citizen, it would go a very long way toward giving more credibility to the cause.
James Madison was a Framer and “The Father of the Constitution.” He said in 1789: “It is an established maxim, that birth is a criterion of allegiance. Birth, however, derives its force sometimes from place, and sometimes from parentage; but, in general place is the most certain criterion; it is what applies in the United States. It will therefore be unnecessary to investigate any other.”
LOLOLOLOLOL, Bingham was not a “founder”.
Natural Born=born a citizen as opposed to naturalized. That’s it. Not interested in kooky BS interpretations like “both parents have to be citizens”, that’s invented nonsense. And some guy in the 19th century saying it isn’t any more valid than a guy in the 21st century saying it.
My first choice is Walker BTW but Cruz, Rubio, and/or Jindal, will be not stopped if they run. I urge you to stop wasting your time fixating on silliness and get serious. This is not Candyland and claiming Cruz et all aren’t eligible will not magically and retroactively remove Obama from power, it serves no purpose, it just makes you look a self-destructive fool.
If Cruz ends up being the only conservative in the race with a chance anyone that doesn’t support him because of this birther garbage is a damn fool.
This is all assuming you aren’t a RINO or democrat troll because they are the only people who benefit from this kind of bilge dividing us.
“Actually, Cruz Sr had already naturalized as a Canadian at that time.”
According to the article, Rafael Cruz, Sr. remained a Cuban citizen until he became a naturalized U.S. citizen, so presumably he never became a Canadian citizen (I’m assuming that to become a Canadian citizen Cruz, Sr. would have to renounce his Cuban citizenship, as would be the case in the U.S.):
“Rafael Cruz, now a pastor in suburban Dallas, fled Cuba for Texas as a teen in 1957. He remained a Cuban citizen until he became a naturalized American in 2005.”
I posted in order to correct the factual error in the article.
You’re welcome.
I found the quote from Rafael Cruz saying that he became a naturalized Canadian citizen:
“I worked in Canada for eight years,” Rafael Cruz says. “And while I was in Canada, I became a Canadian citizen.”
http://www.ideastream.org/news/npr/193585553
Rafael Cruz, Sr. does not state whether he became a naturalized citizen of Canada prior or subsequent to his son Ted’s birth, but given the facts we know it is likely that he became a Canadian citizen subsequent to Ted’s birth. The Cruzes returned to Texas in 1974, so if they were in Canada for eight years then they probably first arrived there in 1966. Under the Canadian Citizenship Act of 1946, and prior to its 1976 amendments, a “landed immigrant” (i.e., a foreigner that arrived in Canada) had to have resided in Canada for five years prior to being eligible for citizenship. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Canadian_nationality_law Since Rafael Cruz arrived in Canada in 1966, the earliest that he could have become a naturalized Canadian citizen was sometime in 1971. Ted Cruz was born on December 22, 1970, so it is unlikely that his father had been a naturalized Canadian citizen prior to his birth. (Yes, maybe by “eight years” Rafael Cruz meant “eight and one-half years,” and maybe he moved back to Texas in February 1974 and thus had first arrived in Canada in August 1965, and maybe he became a Canadian citizen soon after he had resided in Canada for five years and took the oath a month prior to Ted’s birth, but that would be a lot of coincidences.)
Shouldn’t we wait for the definitive ruling, by Emmerich de Vattel, dead before America’s founding, writing in French about Europe of the day?
That was among the most commonly cited sources here, just a few years ago. And with certainty, conviction, etc. Dare to scoff at de Vattel and be name called, ridiculed, even an apologist for Obama etc.
And now whiplash, 180 degrees turnabout. What agility.
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Is Ted Cruz a natural-born citizen eligible to serve as president? [Yes! And I support him! JimRob]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3084490/posts
I agree with you!
Cruz is eligible and I will vote for him.
Of COURSE you are on this thread REMINDING everyone just how thoroughly "legitimate" Obama is. You literally cannot let a single opportunity pass to remind people that Barack Obama is "legitimate".
Why we all know conservatives are always falling all over themselves to make certain everyone knows that the worst enemy we have ever faced in our history is "LEGITIMATE", even though it is patently obvious that this guy is the shakiest version of "legitimate" ever offered and on the shakiest of legal arguments accompanied by the shakiest of legal proofs.
What has been done with Barack Obama is the quintessential opposite of "erring" on the side of caution, it has been to embrace the most ridiculous and far fetched ideas of no good consequence or principle in order to indulge the stupidest and most UnAmerican delusions of legitimacy.
And of course you are here defending him.... again.
It will be the exact same situation if Senator Cruz decides to run. The courts will back his eligibility.
Which is pretty much a meaningless statement. If we've learned one thing about the "courts", it's that they won't do a f***ing thing about any claims of ineligibility. Why they've told us over and over again that no American is harmed by having an illegitimate president (like the current one) and so no one will have any "standing" to sue him anyway.
We could run Vladimir Putin, and I have little doubt that you and your cohort of Obama defenders will vigorously assure us that he is a "natural born citizen" according to some upside down and backwards boomerang decision of the Pelosi congress who stuck his retroactive citizenship into the obamacare bill, the bits and pieces of which we are still finding out about. And in any case the courts would cower behind their "standing" shield, and perhaps we could possibly end up with a President that might actually have America's best interests at heart. At this point I would trust a President Putin farther than I do the unqualified and illegitimate IDIOT currently f***ing up things not just here, but in the rest of the world as well!
But make no mistake, Wherever Barack Obama's eligibility is ever called into question, Nero Germanicus will be there citing some artificial court or congressional decision which will put the "natural" back into "natural citizen."
Lol...my first thought, after reading 100 years before his birth, was of Sarah.
‘Why we all know conservatives are always falling all over themselves to make certain everyone knows that the worst enemy we have ever faced in our history is “LEGITIMATE”, even though it is patently obvious that this guy is the shakiest version of “legitimate” ever offered and on the shakiest of legal arguments accompanied by the shakiest of legal proofs.’
He’s not even pretending to be a conservative any more. He posted links to what most think is his own list—an obscure, irrelevant list of something to do with Obama, created by the banned poster LorenC. At best he’s promoting the propaganda of a person the site owner considers unwelcome, at worst and most likely he’s promoting himself.
Me, I think he’s out of kilter. That’s true of all the liberals who feel compelled to post on a site reserved for conservatives. They have an emotional/mental screw loose, which drives them to compulsive, futile, irritating and irrational behavior.
& we, evidently, have to put up with them. Overall it’s not so bad. The more their mental disorder manifests itself, the worse we can assume it’s going in Obot-land. It’s definitely not going well right now. More and more people are, at a minimum, figuring out that Obama is as sharp as a bowling ball. He’ll be a laughingstock before it’s all over. The smartest Obots are beginning to figure this out, and it’s got them depressed.
The stupider Obots are still fighting the tide. As ‘Holmes’ said in the movie I earlier quoted to you, they couldn’t detect horse manure if they stepped in it. So they battle on, like the Japanese soldiers after WWII who didn’t know the war was over...and their side had lost.
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