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Florida Girl, 5, Was Alive Before Being Thrown From Bridge: Police
NBC ^ | January 09, 2015

Posted on 01/09/2015 8:02:57 PM PST by Steelfish

Florida Girl, 5, Was Alive Before Being Thrown From Bridge: Police

Dad Allegedly Throws 5-Year-Old Daughter Off a Bridge NBC NEWS CHANNEL

The Florida toddler found dead after she was tossed from a St. Petersburg bridge was still alive before the fatal 60-foot plunge, police said Friday based on preliminary evidence. At a news conference following Thursday's horrific act, investigators didn't immediately know whether 5-year-old Phoebe Jonchuck was initially alive, and were awaiting the results of a medical examiner's report. A police officer who witnessed the crime — allegedly committed by her father, John Jonchuck Jr. — said he may have heard the girl scream but wasn't certain.

Police are still trying to piece together what led Jonchuck, 25, to allegedly take his daughter's life. The girl's mother, Michelle Kerr, said despite Jonchuck's "Jekyll and Hyde" personality and their rocky past relationship, she never imagined he would turn his rage toward Phoebe. "She would always say 'I love you' to him," a teary-eyed Kerr told NBC affiliate WFLA. "She loved her daddy."

Phoebe's body was recovered from the Tampa Bay around 1 a.m. Thursday, an hour after a St. Petersburg police officer said he saw Jonchuck hurl the girl over the railing.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: murder; tampa
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To: gawatchman
...other would be “crazies” will start to take note and realize they are not quite as crazy as they thought they were.

That's the problem, crazies are crazy. If they were rational, they wouldn't be crazies.

Now imagine some guy coming off an SSRI the voices in his head told him to stop taking because they'd guide him...

Now imagine his head clearing some day and realizing what he had done...

Every major school shooting and some other noteworthy shootings have involved a shooter who was on some sort of medication.

Who is to say this guy is any different?

I'm not trying to diminish the horror of what was done, the question is one of "Why?", and if it can be prevented in the future if the meds are the problem.

41 posted on 01/09/2015 10:35:42 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: RitchieAprile

Uh yea, they’re going to have a field day with him in prison, then he’s gunna die.


42 posted on 01/09/2015 11:01:24 PM PST by Usagi_yo (Coming events caste their shadow beforehand.)
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To: Salamander

Same here. I would prefer to just run him feet first through a shredder.


43 posted on 01/10/2015 2:03:27 AM PST by ScottinVA (Communism, liberalism and Islam: Kindred ideologies dedicated to America's destruction.)
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To: Steelfish

monsters walk among us.


44 posted on 01/10/2015 2:24:19 AM PST by wiggen (#JeSuisCharlie)
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To: TaMoDee

When I was a firefighter, a couple set their house on fire with their three kids upstairs in the bedroom then went off to the store. Motive, they had taken out an insurance policy of $35,000.00 total on the three kids.

I think they are still in prison.


45 posted on 01/10/2015 3:05:57 AM PST by stockpirate (Islam, the Church of the Anti-Christ, submit or die!)
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To: Steelfish

Which bridge was she thrown from? I don’t think the Skyway ... nor the Harold Franklin ... anyone know?


46 posted on 01/10/2015 3:09:40 AM PST by Ken522
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To: Steelfish

Perhaps the Dr. Jekyll half of his personality has the decency to commit suicide.


47 posted on 01/10/2015 3:19:39 AM PST by Dagnabitt (Amnesty is Treason. Its agents and supporters are Traitors.)
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To: apoliticalone
If they threw this scum off the bridge who would care?

If his carcass made it to shore, nearby residents would have to put up with quite a stink.

48 posted on 01/10/2015 3:43:03 AM PST by fso301
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To: Smokin' Joe

Aaaaaaaaaaaaah don’t be “liberal” that makes declaring victory harder than damning it all to hell and forgetting about it.


49 posted on 01/10/2015 3:56:52 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: gawatchman

OR, would commit suicide along with their murders, but the devil can easily find dupes today. A demon can not be killed. It just passes on to the next person it can find.


50 posted on 01/10/2015 3:58:33 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: captmar-vell

People use this not realizing that it is a metaphor for the believers who must come “as a little child.” There is no truly innocent child, due to original sin. Assuming that there are, eventually ends up pointing accusing fingers at God for being incompetent, if not cruel.


51 posted on 01/10/2015 4:02:18 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: captmar-vell

‘Children do have guardian angels:

“Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven” Matthew 18:10

This is what ‘daddy’ can look forward too if all things remain the same,

“It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones.” Luke 17:2’

Good post.

+1


52 posted on 01/10/2015 4:43:41 AM PST by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: Smokin' Joe

‘So, what meds was he on? Or just off? (Dude sounds like he had a screw loose to me from the article.) No daddy in his right mind would do such a thing to his little girl.’

What if he’s a sociopath?


53 posted on 01/10/2015 4:44:27 AM PST by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Everyone gripes about the problem, but no one is looking for a solution. Maybe the dude is evil, (not from the ravings the day before in articles at the link--there was a screw loose, or a few of them). Maybe it was a personal and unmedicated malfunction, maybe there is a pervasive problem with some of the crap the pill peddlers are handing out.

(Warning: known side effects include your tongue splitting lengthwise, your ears falling off, suicidal thoughts, the desire to eat human flesh, and the disappearance of your genitalia, but 37% of sufferers with moderate to severe eyebrow dandruff reported mild improvement after 90 days).

I am haunted by the thought that a significant number of Americans are taking drugs that are at least peripherally involved in incidents of mass slaughter and other generally socially unacceptable behaviour.

If we don't ask, if we don't look, we may never see the real problem, in which case more little girls (and other people) may well die horrible deaths.

Preventing that isn't 'liberal', FRiend, it is about as conservative as it gets.

54 posted on 01/10/2015 4:56:14 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Fantasywriter
If he acted with clear-headed malice and forethought, fry him. Go to the linked article, and read it, then scroll down to the link to an article where someone commented on him making some pretty off the wall statements and tried to get the police involved. It sounds like he went nuts.

Adverse reactions to stopping some classes of antidepressants cold turkey have been documented, and many of the mass murder shooters were (at one time) on such drugs, or off their meds.

55 posted on 01/10/2015 5:01:33 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

I am being somewhat flippantly cynical having seen a lot of the hip shooting that goes on.

When one is a specialist in hammers, everything starts looking like a nail. Even screws.

We should be grateful on one level for the facade of civility that earthly society keeps. Guys may be constantly thinking about tossing their daughters off bridges, but few actually do it.

Sometimes these new miracle psychiatric medicines are too easily substituted for the old fashioned patient observation of yesteryear. Even in cases destined for long term success, the short term evolution of the situation can be chaotic as the patient’s mind readjusts to the new constraints and the new helps/energizations.


56 posted on 01/10/2015 5:04:08 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Smokin' Joe
Dad's Strange Behavior Unsettled Some Before Child's Killing
57 posted on 01/10/2015 5:05:50 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

And it is a crying shame that not one psychologist or psychiatrist out of ten can say anything coherent about the love of God today.


58 posted on 01/10/2015 5:07:07 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

I had already clicked the link and read it. I’m not saying he is a sociopath. But he well might be. If so, he cannot feel empathy and doesn’t feel remorse. Drugs can’t make him a sociopath or unmake him one. It’s something that happens to a person very young, and for which there is no known cure.

All I’m saying is that if he is a sociopath, his ‘Dr. Jekyll’ half will never feel any genuine remorse or empathy. He might fake it for effect, but even a halfway decent psychiatrist could unmask the pretension. Unfortunately we live in an age where sociopathy is more common than in the past. Many societal factors coalesce to create an environment conducive to such personality disorders. It’s generally the most defenseless people in the sociopath’s environment that pay the highest price.


59 posted on 01/10/2015 5:09:21 AM PST by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: Steelfish

Sounds like schizophrenia to me.


60 posted on 01/10/2015 5:11:56 AM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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