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Be smart about gun-crime sentences
Chicago Sun-Times ^ | 02 dec 2014

Posted on 12/02/2014 5:58:22 AM PST by rellimpank

Illinois has a chance to get smarter about penalties for gun crimes, hitting offenders with longer sentences where needed and shorter ones where appropriate. We urge the Legislature to seize the opportunity.

So much is at stake, especially in Chicago, where the bloodshed from guns is constant and horrific.

Within the next couple of days, the Legislature’s Joint Criminal Justice Reform Committee will present a series of findings on gun violence and gun laws, reflecting months of listening to law enforcement officials, national criminal justice experts and others. The committee’s findings are expected to be the basis for new laws on guns, as well as on other aspects of the justice system, to be proposed in the spring

(Excerpt) Read more at suntimes.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: banglist; chicago; illinois; rkba
--I usually include a "barf alert" on anything from the S-T but this one doesn't yet get into the usual "gun control" yatter--although I suspect the recommendations of the mentioned committee will----
1 posted on 12/02/2014 5:58:22 AM PST by rellimpank
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To: rellimpank

To me, it depends on the political makeup of the committee. I don’t know how the Illinois legislature stacks up R vs. D but if it’s D, then their future recommendations can only be assumed to be MORE punitive and restrictive. You can’t trust a Democrat-controlled anything to do ANYTHING honorable and just. You simply just cannot.


2 posted on 12/02/2014 6:05:41 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: rellimpank
I know! I know!

Only enforce the gun laws against white people!

3 posted on 12/02/2014 6:08:33 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Any energy source that requires a subsidy is, by definition, "unsustainable.")
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To: rellimpank
"So much is at stake, especially in Chicago, where the bloodshed from guns is constant and horrific."

Isn't it illegal to own a gun there?

4 posted on 12/02/2014 6:08:46 AM PST by Mr. K (Palin/Cruz 2016)
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To: rellimpank
Illinois has a chance to get smarter about penalties for gun crimes, hitting offenders with longer sentences where needed and shorter ones where appropriate.

Translation: Longer sentences for those who are not registered DemocRATS. Shorter sentences for those who are.

5 posted on 12/02/2014 6:12:53 AM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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Isn't it illegal to own a gun there?

Illinois passed CCW. Even for Chicago.

6 posted on 12/02/2014 6:15:56 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: rellimpank

With modern forensics, DNA etc.. Death penalty ...period. One state and federal district review and a Supreme Court Review for every Death Penalty case to preclude any doubt as to guilt with regards to murder. Sentence to be carried out within one calendar year of USSC decision to execute.

All those little bad bad Leroy Browns in Chicago and elsewhere will be culled out of the herd imo.....


7 posted on 12/02/2014 6:18:06 AM PST by Squantos ( Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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To: Mr. K

Chicago has definitely proved that gun control only leaves people defenseless against people who don’t obey the law that HAVE guns.


8 posted on 12/02/2014 6:18:27 AM PST by jsanders2001
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To: rellimpank
The problem with mandatory sentences for "gun crimes", is that for violent felons it can get plea bargained, but for a CCW where some violation is the ONLY thing the prosecutor has, he's not going to plea bargain because that would leave the prosecutor with nothing.

Enhancements for offenses committed with "deadly weapons" are already on the books.

9 posted on 12/02/2014 6:19:18 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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One thing is for certain; You can trust Chicago to do the wrong thing.


10 posted on 12/02/2014 6:29:07 AM PST by umgud (I couldn't understand why the ball kept getting bigger......... then it hit me.)
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To: PapaBear3625

“Enhancements for offenses committed with “deadly weapons” are already on the books. “

Add 10 years “mandatory” for any crime committed with an unregistered firearm.


11 posted on 12/02/2014 6:39:05 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (You can't spell liberal without label.)
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Add 10 years “mandatory” for any crime committed with an unregistered firearm.

None of my firearms are "registered". And "felon in possession of firearm" is already a crime.

12 posted on 12/02/2014 6:51:06 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: rellimpank

Actually a “barf alert” is redundant for any article with uses “gun-crime” in its title.

As I’m fond of pointing out, “gun-crime” is a morally specious category: The victim of a murder committed with a knife, or poison, or a blunt object, is just as dead, the victim’s family and friends just as bereaved, and the soul of the murderer just as stained as in the case of a murder committed with a firearm; the pensioner robbed at knife-point is just as terrified and still out the same money as one robbed at gun-point; and so forth.


13 posted on 12/02/2014 6:55:16 AM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know...)
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To: The_Reader_David

Exactly correct.

The whole “gun violence” meme is a propaganda term. Just using it assumes a great deal that is disputed. It is a semantic trick.


14 posted on 12/02/2014 7:57:23 AM PST by marktwain (The old media must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: PapaBear3625

***And “felon in possession of firearm” is already a crime. ***

Felons are not required to register their guns.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haynes_v._United_States

“The original Haynes decision continues to block state prosecutions of criminals who fail to register guns as required by various state law gun registration schemes.”


15 posted on 12/02/2014 8:27:15 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (I survived I-35W through Fort Worth in Rush hour!)
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To: Texas Eagle
Translation: Longer sentences for those who are not registered DemocRATS. Shorter sentences for those who are. .

Almost the entire script of "Citizen X" (Russian serial murderer) could be used for a "greatest quote" discussion. Your post reminded me of this interchange:

Bondarchuk: I want to know, why are we arresting so many perfectly respectable doctors and party members?
Burakov: Because we were told to.
Bondarchuk: You were told to investigate them, not detain them!
Burakov: The party members who are doctors we detain for a very brief period of time. The party members who are sexual deviants, we intend to detain a little longer.

16 posted on 12/02/2014 10:07:09 AM PST by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: EQAndyBuzz
Add 10 years “mandatory” for any crime committed with an unregistered firearm.

Illinois registers people, not guns. Anyone wanting to buy a gun is required to first obtain a Firearm Owners Id. (F.O.I.D.

17 posted on 12/02/2014 1:21:33 PM PST by Graybeard58 (V.33 Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners. Corinthians 10:)
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