Posted on 11/29/2014 1:46:27 PM PST by RetiredArmy
Hiya ‘44! These ‘give-up’ folks are really something huh? I will never ever feel like quitting on our Country. Do we have problems? Sure, some very large ones but we will get through them. It will be hard but we will.
Sooo...how are the maniacal-murdering-moslems getting along with the feminazis and the queer-agenda pederasts who have already taken over the schools?
Will there be mass beheadings soon?
Yeah, they’re getting bolder with their “Let’s all run away” crap.
So would I.
Legislation is being written by the stroke of the president's pen, it has the force of law and requires a super majority vote by both houses to undo it, therefore I say the pen is rewriting the constitution every time he does it.
Most here think us too negative but trying to be positive about untreated cancer makes no sense.
“...therefore I say the pen is rewriting the constitution every time he does it.”
That’s a great point.
I wonder in a 100 yrs if we’ll even recognize the original Constitution or if it’ll even still be in use. I know the Dems have quite a few times (IIRC) pushed for changes - especially the 2nd.
Personally I think the 2nd is our last line of defense.
It will be interesting if the GOP makes it to the White House. Will the Pres write Legislation that destroys all of Zer0’s Legislation?
Interesting times.
Such is the effect Obama has induced in some Americans.
In my view, some people are just so shell shocked and beaten senseless by the constant barrage of attacks, scandals, and outrages coming out of the current administration, that they're literally caving in.
None of us has ever seen anything like this crypto-Marxist radical in all our lives. Most of us never imagined such a person could ever reach the pinnacle of power in this country. If you'd predicted the ascension of Obama to the Presidency before the 2008 election, you would have been laughed off the forum for being a tin foil wearing nutjob.
He's now become a part of our waking reality, but for many it seems more like a nightmare that they can't wake up from. There's going to be a certain percentage of good folks who are simply crushed by all the pressure this monster has brought to bear on us all.
I try to encourage our more wobbly fellows to hold on to their resolve, but those who've surrendered, and insist upon convincing others to do the same......well, I don't have much patience for that.
If the enemy is large, it is slow.
Be small. Be quick.
I am actually read that forum one all the time. I feel like they are friends.
Here’s a response to the tail-turners:
http://barretttillman.blogspot.com/2014/09/the-worlds-biggest-army.html
Good article.
Boots!!! Yo, brother!
See article in Post 69!!
I've repeatedly made the point to tail-turners on this forum, that the armed American populace is the single largest army on the face of the planet.
Aspiring despots among us know this, which is why the Socialist Dems have (until Obama) been slowly, and incrementally chipping away at our freedoms and liberties, so as not to alarm the proles.
They (used to) know all too well that stomping the pedal to 'fundamental transformation' would likely spark that army to armed resistance, and would result in lamp posts all over America being decorated with their worthless carcasses.
——There is not a vet or patriot on this forum who would not follow Patton into battle, are you applying for the position?—
I ain’t no Patton, but hell yeah I will answer that call.
I tried to recruit people for 4 months back in ‘05 to spend a month on the border and I bet you did not even answer that call. You want to know how many people showed up? 865 souls showed up to defend the border from across the US.
I will bet my last nickle that you were not one of them. I will bet you did not spend one night in the South Texas sugar sand with rattlers and mountain lions. No light, no nvg. Just you and the dark looking for drug runners and illegals who may be armed.
Now making brash statements about who will show up and who will do what is only overloading your bird mouth.
Some of us have been down that road too and are willing to do it again, any time. So mail me, we can meet up and we can start it up.
Be sure to ping the DAWGS when you call out these surrender monkeys ‘Ear! We are with ya!
Thanks for the read. very good article.
In my view, some people are just so shell shocked and beaten senseless by the constant barrage of attacks, scandals, and outrages coming out of the current administration, that they're literally caving in.
None of us has ever seen anything like this crypto-Marxist radical in all our lives. Most of us never imagined such a person could ever reach the pinnacle of power in this country. If you'd predicted the ascension of Obama to the Presidency before the 2008 election, you would have been laughed off the forum for being a tin foil wearing nutjob.
He's now become a part of our waking reality, but for many it seems more like a nightmare that they can't wake up from. There's going to be a certain percentage of good folks who are simply crushed by all the pressure this monster has brought to bear on us all.
I try to encourage our more wobbly fellows to hold on to their resolve, but those who've surrendered, and insist upon convincing others to do the same......well, I don't have much patience for that.
Hello FRiend, quoting your post in toto because it explains so much!
I can remember discussions in threads a few years ago, during the first term of this regime, regarding the onslaught that was being unleashed on this Nation. The main question that I had was: Would they overplay their hand, go too fast (and too furiously), would they cross a line too soon? A line that could not be crossed?
At this point in time, a sober response to those questions is, sadly, I guess not. I personally did not know what to expect, I was just uncertain as to how our fellow citizens would react. In some ways I believed that there would be a lot more pushback than we've seen to date; I thought that they would "ease off" a bit when they saw it, and continue along with their long running patient plan. But so far, it seems to me that there haven't been any lines that can't be crossed. Hence, they have seen no need to "ease off" at all, well at least not in any clearly recognizable way.
So where does this leave us?
Just look at the OP of this thread.... look at the countless number of threads that we see here each day bearing a similar dose of bad news. Look at what the GOP 'leaders' are saying that they will do in response to the regime's latest assault via the executive amnesty:
1. Will hold a vote on a resolution that 'condemns' the action (with very strong words I am certain!) that is an empty, meaningless gesture that they hope will "appease" us rubes and 'extremists.'
2. Will pass an Omnibus spending bill to fully fund the beast for the Full 2015 FY, with the exception of:
3. Excluding DHS funding from the FY Omnibus and fund it through March 2015 with a CR. Supposedly we are to believe that somehow, a pitched battle will ensue at that point to address the latest violence done to our Constitution by this thug.
At least that's the latest being discussed here today, maybe it will play out differently? I don't know at this point.
But what do you say to those that question how we will ever see any progress against this hardening tyranny when we have a Congress that refuses to use the two main tools (Power of the Purse and Impeachment) that the Constitution has provided to counter a radically out of control Executive? Our 'leaders' have basically told the whole world that they will use neither of these tools to any useful effect.
I saw the side discussion here about the 'cut & run' types and am certainly not in that group, I will die here in the country that I was born in close to 6 decades ago, and will never surrender. But, I can certainly understand the angst and hopelessness that many feel. It is why I haven't posted all that much of late, I figured that there was enough doom & gloom going on in the threads and certainly didn't want to add to it!
As you may remember I've been a Mark Levin listener since he first started with his one or two hour WABC Sunday show many years ago. I have always learned a lot from Mark as I am sure that many others here have. Of late, mark has convinced me of a few things:
1. We are not going to "vote our way" out of this.
2. The Federal Government is not going to reform itself (no matter which of the 'two' main parties are in control).
3. There is one mechanism left to us that has never been tried. It was given to us by the Founders (principally from George Mason) specifically for the case we now see in front of us (a federal government that has become oppressive and tyrannical), and is clearly stated in Article V of the Constitution.
Have you read much about the second part of Article V that describes the alternative (yet untried) method that the Constitution can be amended?
I am no Constitutional scholar and certainly no expert on Article V like many others here on FR have become (why I have pinged Jacquerie to this post). There have been many good discussions on this type of Article V solution here on FR, and of course Mark's The Liberty Amendments is a great introductory source. (There is also a Convention of States site that has a lot of useful information.)
I have become convinced that this approach, in which the several States come together to amend the Constitution in an effort to halt and turnback this tyranny, is basically our 'last straw' to fight for this Nation absent a complete collapse and/or revolution. Like I said, I am no scholar, just a simple tradesman, but I do try to explain it to people to the best of my ability. All I ask of any detractors (and I know that there are plenty), is to actually do some research on the topic before dismissing it out of hand. IMO, it is really very important that all Patriots become versed in this tool, and understand its potential, and not just shoot it down with the fears of what could result from an out of control Constitutional Convention (which is NOT the solution described in Article V), or other horrific scenarios.
To my understanding, the second part of Article V gives the several states (2/3 required to propose an amendment for consideration, which would then need to be ratified by 3/4 of the state legislatures or ratifying conventions -- basically the same way the prior amendments have been brought forth, substituting 2/3 of both chambers of Congress for the 2/3 of states proposing), the ability to develop amendments that would never see the light of day via the first approach (coming from Congress like all prior amendments).
Mark's book proposes several amendments for consideration, the one I like to discuss is pretty simple: term limits. I think that we all can agree that the Congress (no matter which party is in control at a given time) will *NEVER* bring about a term limits amendment. But, the several states could do just that.
Anyway, I realize that I am rambling here Windy, but just wanted to get your take on this Article V stuff and say Hello!
I've gone on and on and on at FR about Article V for almost two years.
As time allows, I suggest all Freepers take the time to digest "Lawful and Peaceful Revolution: Congress’ Present Duty to Call a Convention for Proposing Amendments," at the Hamline Law Review.
APPLAUSE!
After we became aware of what Barack Obama was during the 2008 primaries, I can remember thinking to myself that if elected, with the Dems in charge of both houses of Congress, that this man would be the one liberal who'd push the pedal to the metal, and throw out the left's successful formula of slow, incremental change. He was going to go full-tilt Stalin in a mad rush to "fundamentally transform" America into a de facto Socialist oligarchy.
As I thought he would, he's done everything in his power to undermine or dismantle the greatly weakened support pillars of our representative republic.
Even more maddening, is the fact that the so-called 'opposition party' has mostly stood mute and unmoving while he's done his damage.
I also predicted that the American people would be roused to resistance and opposition by this man. That has indeed come true, though the people really need to step it up.
As Mark Levin so correctly pointed out, we're almost past the point of a political solution. I've stated many times, that we're quickly approaching a point where the last bulwark against this budding dictator, will be the people themselves.
At this time, there's still a window of opportunity for the American people to peacefully force the federal government to cease the attacks and depredations against our Constitution and our liberties, through massive and sustained protests. As you suggest, the states also have a window of opportunity to call for an Article V Convention to propose amendments to the Constitution.
Either or both of these actions has the potential to stop the runaway train of our out of control government. But time is of the essence. Evil never sleeps. At the rate our civil systems are collapsing, or being subverted by malevolent intent to do harm to the people, we may not have but a few more years before we arrive at a point where there are no civil means left to us.
Even then, secession by one or several states, remains as a viable option for self-preservation.
I saw the side discussion here about the 'cut & run' types and am certainly not in that group, I will die here in the country that I was born in close to 6 decades ago, and will never surrender. But, I can certainly understand the angst and hopelessness that many feel. It is why I haven't posted all that much of late...
I think you speak for a lot of our fellow Freepers. I'm seeing less and less diversity in the screen names of those posting here. That tells me that a lot of people are withdrawing into their own private defensive zones. It's a reaction, and not necessarily a good one. Better if people continue to be loud and outspoken with their outrage. It puts the little tyrants on notice that we won't continue to tolerate their treason.
I also don't post as much as I once did. The worsening situation with regards to our government is partly to blame for my own withdrawal. Partly, it's also the sheer volume of doom and gloom being spewed day and night around here. As if the news itself weren't bad enough, it can sometimes be too much to read all the surrender caucus comments here. It can be demoralizing, and I'm sorry, but I just can't allow myself to be dragged down like that. I've got to keep some fight in me.
Back to the idea of convening an Article V Convention. I agree with Levin that term limits for Congress would have to be at the head of the list of proposed amendments. Allowing people to make a lifetime career out of ruling over the people has proven to be a complete disaster. The present system is irresistibly seductive and corrupting in the extreme. That needs to change, or we'll never get the sort of government the Framers devised.
I've got a bunch of other things I'd like to see addressed in an Article V Convention, but we'll leave that to other threads.
I thought about calling in the DAWGS but this was a in my face slap for no reason.
But I do appreciate the DAWG pound....
Thank You, I had not seen that material before, I just downloaded the PDF file.
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