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Rape by fraud? N.J. lawmaker introduces bill to make it a crime
NJ.com ^ | November 24, 2014 | Matt Friedman

Posted on 11/24/2014 11:48:00 AM PST by C19fan

Imagine this: A man woos a woman to bed with tales of his riches, fast cars and a vacation home in Monaco. But he actually lives in his mother’s basement.

Or this: A seemingly wealthy widow convinces a younger man to sleep with her on the notion that they may marry and he’ll inherit her money. In reality, she’s broke.

In both cases, someone lied about his or her status in order to have sex with someone else.

Under a bill recently proposed by a south Jersey lawmaker, such actions would not only be considered dishonest. They could prompt charges of rape.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: New Jersey
KEYWORDS: deception; fascism; rape
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To: C19fan

So no bill charging these people as being deferred payment prostitutes?


41 posted on 11/24/2014 12:28:39 PM PST by VanDeKoik
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To: C19fan

Was this bill introduced on a Monday after a particularly embarrassing weekend?


42 posted on 11/24/2014 12:33:02 PM PST by BlackAdderess
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To: Sherman Logan

I used to be a commercial real estate agent. Back then it was all about getting your contract (to find a lessee) in writing or you would get stiffed for the commission. Sure, you coult try to fight it, but it is basically “he said, she said” without a contract.

And with this sort of thing, it is LITERALLY he said, she said. No written contract, no case.

This whole thing is absurd on the face of it. It’s why I guessed it was a democrat proposing it. It means that it would be technically illegal for a guy to say he loved a girl just to get her to “put out” (Not that it is not sleazy and immoral). It’s nuts to get the law involved in such things.


43 posted on 11/24/2014 12:34:14 PM PST by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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To: cuban leaf

In the future, dates will be agreed to in writing. If someone cancels or doesn’t want to pay, just take the agreement to small claims court.


44 posted on 11/24/2014 12:36:48 PM PST by morphing libertarian
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To: C19fan

Let’s attach a rider making push-up bras and other false female enhancements a form punishable fraud too.

After all, if a guy spent a load to woo some attractive honey, only to open the bag of chips and find it half-empty, then he is do a bit of compensation.

Just sayin’.


45 posted on 11/24/2014 12:40:27 PM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: C19fan

Implied warranty of suitorability. Ought to be a contract case not a crime.


46 posted on 11/24/2014 12:40:56 PM PST by ArmstedFragg (Hoaxey Dopey Changey)
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To: morphing libertarian

Cherry 2000.


47 posted on 11/24/2014 12:41:41 PM PST by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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To: C19fan

What about politicians??? They defraud on a daily basis and we all get screwed.


48 posted on 11/24/2014 12:43:37 PM PST by Organic Panic
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To: cuban leaf

No argument from me.

I was replying to your assertion that it is legal to lie if it’s not in writing. As I understand it, it is every bit as illegal to lie in order to defraud someone verbally as it is in writing.

It’s just really difficult to prove a case without having it in writing. That’s quite different from it being legal.


49 posted on 11/24/2014 12:43:43 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: C19fan

When I was in high school a strikingly beautiful girl lived near us.

One day a friend of mine told me she stuffed her bra with kleenex. I told her and she said he was mad because she had turned him down.

The next day she sat beside me on the bus and I happened to notice one of the buttons on her blouse was undone. She was wearing a bra but I could see enough to tell she was all real.

That was 50 years ago and just a few months ago, I was remembering that time. It suddenly hit me. She left that blouse open on purpose.


50 posted on 11/24/2014 12:53:45 PM PST by yarddog (Romans 8:38-39, For I am persuaded.)
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To: C19fan

Our name is Equality 7-2591 and we must be assigned our mates from the Ministry of Replenishment. Enjoy our Brave New World!

(Hahaha, there is 3 references in that one!)

Or, we could just legislate that sexual activity is done in this manner: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k80UQWWUIYs


51 posted on 11/24/2014 12:55:06 PM PST by CSM
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To: yarddog

It is interesting how we get these insights years later.


52 posted on 11/24/2014 12:56:13 PM PST by ladyjane
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To: C19fan

53 posted on 11/24/2014 12:58:04 PM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: ladyjane

It really is interesting how the mind works.

At the time it never even crossed my mind.


54 posted on 11/24/2014 12:59:11 PM PST by yarddog (Romans 8:38-39, For I am persuaded.)
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To: C19fan

So if I sez to a woman that I’m swayve and daboner, they’d figger I was lyin’?


55 posted on 11/24/2014 12:59:13 PM PST by davius (You can roll manure in powdered sugar but that don't make it a jelly doughnut.)
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To: C19fan

“Under a bill recently proposed by a south Jersey lawmaker, such actions would not only be considered dishonest. They could prompt charges of rape.”

I almost want this bill to pass, but only because karma will surely dictate that “lawmaker” will run afoul of their own law and it would be hilarious.


56 posted on 11/24/2014 1:02:41 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: C19fan

So at what point does it become rape? If a man says he has 10 million and on actuality only has 8 or 9?


57 posted on 11/24/2014 1:06:39 PM PST by all the best
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To: C19fan

If it weren’t for at least a bit of deception most of us would never have sex.

Make-up, hair coloring, etc.


58 posted on 11/24/2014 1:25:57 PM PST by muir_redwoods ("He is a very shallow critic who cannot see an eternal rebel in the heart of a conservative." G.K .C)
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To: yarddog

But did you hit it ?


59 posted on 11/24/2014 1:28:30 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

No, but I would have married her in a New York minute.

She married a friend and I will have to admit, she could not have chosen better. Unfortunately, she died of cancer at an early age.

She left three daughters. All three were pretty and not surprisingly, were really athletic like their Father.


60 posted on 11/24/2014 1:35:15 PM PST by yarddog (Romans 8:38-39, For I am persuaded.)
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