Posted on 11/19/2014 7:01:19 PM PST by ckilmer
By John Nassivera | Nov 19, 2014 01:48 PM EST
Germany cleantech company Sunfire GmbH may have found a future replacement for fossil fuels, having developed a rig that can transform water into a synthetic fuel source.
The rig accomplishes this through "Power-to-liquid" technology, which converts water and carbon dioxide (CO2) into liquid hydrocarbons to be used as synthetic petroleum, kerosene and diesel, according to CNET.
Solid oxide electrolyser cells (SOECs) play a role in the process, converting energy supplied by wind, solar and other renewable resources into steam. Hydrogen is produced by removing oxygen from the steam, and is then used to produce CO2 into carbon monoxide (CO). The rig then synthesizes the resultant H2 and CO into high-purity fuel.
Sunfire had to make use of the Fischer-Tropsch process, a technique for producing liquid hydrocarbons developed in 1925, in order to get the results it needed, Yahoo! News reported.
The rig is able to recycle 3.2 tonnes of CO2 each day and produces one barrel of fuel each day. The machine currently serves for demonstration and feasibility uses.
Sunfire, which had to spend "seven figures" to design and build the rig, says the process is able to achieve an efficiency rate of 70 percent by using excess heat to create more steam, CNET reported.
Christian von Olshausen, CTO of Sunfire, said the company now has to focus on "regulatory factors falling into place in a way which gives investors a sufficient level of planning reliability."
"Once that has occurred it will be possible to commence the step-by-step substitution of fossil fuels," von Olshausen added. "If we want to achieve fuel economy in the long term, we need to get started today.
Steam engines were modestly popular on American rivers a century or two in the past. Now? I don’t think so.
Yes, pretty slick if a simple way to split off the oxygen was found.
has all the feel of a LENR realse
“It takes more energy to split H2O than it yields”
So much for the Hydrogen powered cars. Same for ethonal.
Ethanol suks azz.
It would be nice as to see how they quantify that 70% efficiency they claim.
The real world of thermodynamic just "AINT GONNA DO THAT."
It’s verily easily converted into CO2 though.
*why does it smell like BS?*
I don't know, carbonated water always made me burp, not fart.
Sunfire, which had to spend seven figures to design and build the rig, says the process is able to achieve an efficiency rate of 70 percent by using excess heat to create more steam, CNET reported.
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about 8 years ago there was an interesting story about John Kanzius who got salt water to burn. Kanzius concept is simple: expose salt water to 13.56 MHz radio waves and light a match. Hydrogen separates from the water mixture and burns for as long as its exposed to the frequency. (I think the significance of 13.56 is that it is the nuclear magnetic resonance nmr of oxygen.that plus the heat absorbed by the sodium which in salt water is a heat sink when bombarded by radio waves caused the H2O molecules to break up and released the hydrogen for burning.)
http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/4271398
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhqldxU_cvA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNvLwDX2WW0
http://nick2.wordpress.com/2007/09/14/kanzius-and-penn-state-chemist-rostum-roy/
I dont know if this is more efficient than electrolysis. maybe not but it does eliminate the problem of electrodes that wear out.
Kanzius has proposed that the flame is produced by radio waves forcing together the normally separated hydrogen and oxygen in the water, a process he calls reunification.[13] In water (H2O), hydrogen is covalently bonded to oxygen, and thus the process must reunite pairs of hydrogen atoms and pairs of oxygen atoms, releasing dihydrogen (H2) and dioxygen (O2).
Heres an interesting physorg article that may provide some back up for kanzius contention.
http://www.physorg.com/news129471213.html
Researchers Observe Hydrogen-Bond Exchange
According to the article:
image of the H20 and D20 dimers. The H20 dimer appears to fluctuate in the image because they exchange hydrogen bonds 60 times faster than the D20 dimers. The rate difference implies that the interchange proceeds via quantum tunneling.
Looks like another potential verification of abiotic process for the origin of some terrestrial hydrocarbon fuels.
here is a detailed discussion of kanzius work
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=1477.0
here is a detailed discussion of kanzius work
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=1477.0
according to the posters here who looked at Kanzius and rostum roy’s work....the best concentration level for salt in the water for Kanzius radio wave effect is the same as the best salt level for electrolys. Also what burned was not hydrogen but rather sodium in the NaCl.
First you take the equivalent energy of 70 bbls of oil, add water and carbon dioxide, flip this switch, and voila, in an hour out comes a bbl of oil!
Energy problems solved!
It would be expensive but cheaper than transporting jet fuel over the ocean.
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I do not see the basis for that conclusion. As a comparison, we average about 8¢ per gallon to move crude oil from Iraq to the US.
http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/pet_move_imc2_k_a.htm
http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/pet_move_land2_k_a.htm
We don’t lack in ways to make fuel. The challenge is to make it cheaper than the process we use today.
When a “new” technology is proposed, and they don’t discuss cost, don’t bet it is cheaper.
Used in this procress, yeah, we pretty much do have unlimited.
The amount of H2O converted to fuel, is reproduced when the fuel is burned. The water vapor is part of the exhaust. Eventually the water condenses in the atmosphere and falls as rain.
The Hydrogen isn't destroyed from the water, and it return to water as the process is completed.
Good idea!
Because water (H2O) and carbon dioxide (CO2) cannot be fuel sources because they are
ALREADY “BURNED” (combined with oxygen).
First we have to develop solar powered windmills.
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