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Elon Musk called the Antares rocket a 'joke' 2 years before it exploded
Mashable.com ^ | 28OCT2014 | Amanda Wills

Posted on 10/29/2014 9:10:49 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine

An Orbital Sciences rocket operating under a NASA contract exploded shortly after launch on Tuesday evening, much to everyone's surprise — except, perhaps, Elon Musk.

Musk, the CEO of SpaceX, trashed Orbital Sciences for using outdated Russian engines during a 2012 Wired interview:

"One of our competitors, Orbital Sciences, has a contract to resupply the International Space Station, and their rocket honestly sounds like the punch line to a joke. It uses Russian rocket engines that were made in the ’60s. I don’t mean their design is from the ’60s—I mean they start with engines that were literally made in the ’60s and, like, packed away in Siberia somewhere."

Two years later, Musk tweeted his condolences about the explosion, in which no one was injured:

"Sorry to hear about the @OrbitalSciences launch. Hope they recover soon."

The Antares rocket was carrying a Cygnus spacecraft that was supposed to deliver supplies to the International Space Station on a routine mission. The exact cause of the explosion is still unknown. However, the Orbital Sciences team wasn't tracking any issues prior to launch. The private space company says it will conduct a thorough investigation starting immediately

SpaceX has a similar contract with NASA to supply cargo to the space station.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: antares; cygnus; elonmusk; falcon9; nasa; orbitalsciences; osc; spaceexploration; spacex
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1 posted on 10/29/2014 9:10:50 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine
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2 posted on 10/29/2014 9:13:26 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Jack Hydrazine - great name. It looks to me like one of the combustion chambers let go at the reported 108% thrust.


3 posted on 10/29/2014 9:17:11 PM PDT by pelican001
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4 posted on 10/29/2014 9:21:05 PM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: jiggyboy

Way beat me to it.....


5 posted on 10/29/2014 9:35:58 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: pelican001

I’d say either a turbopump, a fuel or oxidizer line, or the nozzle catoed.


6 posted on 10/29/2014 9:38:00 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: pelican001

Serious question. How can a rocket produce 108% thrust? Isn’t 100% of something the maximum?


7 posted on 10/29/2014 9:38:51 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

We actually did have a space program once and actually did rocket science but reassigned NASA to Muslim outreach and global warming. Now we rely on the Russians to shuttle our astronauts to the International Space Station since we do not have the capability to place astronauts into outer space.

Still remember the sheer panic when we discovered Sputnik orbiting above us and were years away from orbiting a satellite of our own.

Disgusting.


8 posted on 10/29/2014 9:42:02 PM PDT by Calamari (Pass enough laws and everyone is guilty of something.)
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To: Lurker

108% of rated thrust. Apparently pushing those old engines hard.


9 posted on 10/29/2014 9:48:44 PM PDT by pelican001
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To: Lurker

For all you folks out there that like to give 110%. See what happens when you try that $hit?


10 posted on 10/29/2014 10:11:06 PM PDT by Delta 21 (Patiently waiting for the jack booted kick at my door.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
I thought this was going to be a fawning thread about Musk; thankfully not...I enjoyed my dinner.

I think a bit of accurate history is in order in the wake of the attention-hoar Musk:

Antares rocket engines lean on Russian moon legacy

Aerojet imported the engines to the United States in the 1990s in an effort to develop a commercial rocket to launch U.S. military satellites. The California-based propulsion company competed to supply engines for the Atlas 5 rocket, which was then under development by Lockheed Martin Corp.

Lockheed Martin selected another Russian engine to power the Atlas 5's first stage, leaving Aerojet with a stock of three dozen NK-33 engines at the company's headquarters in Sacramento, Calif.

Aerojet modified the NK-33 engines by adding a gimbal mechanism for steering, installing modern instrumentation, and qualifying the engines for U.S. propellants, according to Julie Van Kleeck, vice president of space programs for Aerojet.

Following Lockheed Martin's decision to use another engine, the NK-33 engines appeared to be left in the dust for a second time until Orbital Sciences came along with a proposal for the Antares rocket - then called the Taurus 2 - in 2007.

Once Orbital's Antares rocket was selected by NASA to supply the International Space Station, the company purchased 20 of the engines from Aerojet to power 10 launches - two test flights and eight operational missions, according to Kurt Eberly, deputy Antares project director at Orbital Sciences.

Mocking aside, it was NASA that both made the selection and saw fit to let domestic rocket research get to the point of using Russian/Soviet rockets, launches & engines.

Musk's egotistical mocking surely wasn't heard well at NASA...causing him to tone it down to get his cushy 'sharing' portion of the Boeing contract. Surely his crew were not happy to see that story recirculated (me? Smiling).

Seriously: What better representation of how a Progressive works than to use your clout to get NASA more involved in 'climate change' and less involved in its core missions...and be there with open arms to reap the benefits of more Federal dollars to add to your portfolio of Federal & State subsidies while riding high on an emotionally-supercharged stock with little basis in value reality.

NASA: What a joke. Were leading progressives on board the rocket? (in my dreams)

11 posted on 10/29/2014 10:15:55 PM PDT by logi_cal869 (-cynicus-)
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The Apollo Program

Where were you when Apollo 11 landed on the moon? I was at the Cape (Kennedy), and was part of the contractor network locally supporting the Apollo program. Click here for a link to the history of the Apollo Program at the Cape. Watching every one of the Saturn-V's lift off was a special thrill!

Anyone remember what Walter "Crankcase" Cronkite said about the first Saturn V liftoff when the shock wave hit his trailer mounted van and almost knocked him and his van off of it. There was a 3 second delay built into all of his audio because of his earlier cussing on the air. The technicians with Federal Electric were able to cut his comments off while he was live on the air!

12 posted on 10/29/2014 10:52:50 PM PDT by B-Cause (The trouble with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money - Thatcher)
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To: Calamari

I didn’t see your comment prior. Spot-on.


13 posted on 10/29/2014 11:28:53 PM PDT by logi_cal869 (-cynicus-)
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To: B-Cause

Someone wrote recently that we now look at the Apollo program the way local Dark Ages people looked at the monumental works of the Romans.


14 posted on 10/30/2014 12:00:23 AM PDT by Dagnabitt
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To: Lurker

No. But at 101% you put on your sunglasses and cover your ears.


15 posted on 10/30/2014 12:21:06 AM PDT by tdscpa
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Sounds like a liberal Obama supporter to me.


16 posted on 10/30/2014 1:35:14 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: pelican001
It looks to me like one of the combustion chambers let go

Not the mains - I'd think that would be more like an earth-shattering kaboom. Even a nozzle burn-through should be more spectacular and result in some thrust vectoring. Those are rebuilt NK33 engines. That design is based on staged-combustion, with pre-burners powering turbopumps and LOX cooling the bearings. Looks more like the turbomachinery sprung a leak (or blew off some plumbing). This in turn led to a rapid release of O2-rich white hot drive gas. Thus shower of sparks, white-hot flare, no chamber pressure in the mains, and no thrust.

Usually when the hot pressurized RP1 gets loose it's massive fireball time...look for BLEVE on youtube for an example...

17 posted on 10/30/2014 2:53:21 AM PDT by no-s (when democracy is displaced by tyranny, the armed citizen still gets to vote)
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To: Delta 21

I’m at 50% today on account of how much sleep I got.
(I’m normally at 25% but I slept really well last night.)


18 posted on 10/30/2014 2:58:53 AM PDT by outofsalt ( If history teaches us anything it's that history rarely teaches us anything.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

The self-destruct was triggered due to loss of control.

“14 seconds later: The range safety officer sends a self-destruct command. The rocket explodes into a fireball over Wallops Island, Virginia.”

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/moments-leading-antares-rocket-explosion/story?id=26539879


19 posted on 10/30/2014 4:26:13 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: logi_cal869; All
I would think you would be more supportive of Musk considering SpaceX is trying to privatize space travel and offering competition to the entrenched players. He thinks he can reduce the current high costs by building reusable rockets. Their rockets have already successfully landed on their legs. Below are a few of their test launches in action, and here is a video of their one kilometer up and down test that is even more impressive.



20 posted on 10/30/2014 4:50:03 AM PDT by LogicDesigner
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