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Michael Brown Shooting: Is 6 Shots Normal for Police Use of Force?
Christian Post ^ | 08/19/2014 | Samuel Smith

Posted on 08/19/2014 1:40:34 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

After a preliminary autopsy revealed that teenager Michael Brown was shot at least six times to the front of his body by a Ferguson, Missouri police officer on Aug. 9, a retired Baltimore City police officer who was involved in six individual use-of-force shootings in his 12-year law enforcement career, told The Christian Post Monday that, in general, six shots is not an overly excessive amount of shots for officers to take when trying to take down an assailant and protect themselves.

Robert Yamin, who was forced to retire on disability from the Baltimore City Police Department after being shot by an assailant with his own weapon, said that police officers must do whatever they can to ensure their safety once they get into an altercation and the assailant doesn't let up.

"It appears without having any real knowledge, just based on theory, that the officer was justified. The amount of bullets fired, you shoot whatever you need to stop the incident," Yamin said. "Until he stops coming at you. You keep shooting"

Yamin added that in split-second incidents, police don't cock their gun but instead fire all the way through meaning the shots will be less accurate because it requires more pressure to fire the weapon. When dealing with high intensity situations, it is in the officer's best interest to fire multiple times because these situations tend to happen so fast.

"The whole incident probably took place in two seconds, maybe three," Yamin speculated. "You can imagine what it would be like to go through four seconds of not knowing whether you are going to live or die, and it is all based on what you do in the next two or three seconds so you are making a decision, just split second."

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Missouri
KEYWORDS: ferguson; michaelbrown; missouri
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To: A CA Guy

I think the text book answer to the question of why did you fire that many rounds is: I shot to stop him from doing what it was that caused me to shoot in the first place.


41 posted on 08/19/2014 1:57:35 PM PDT by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

“Or double action only semi-automatic pistols.”

No, a double action only pistol has the same trigger pull every time, there isn’t an external hammer or a way to cock it.

A DS/SA pistol has a difference between the DA and SA pulls but it cocks itself and the only shot with a heavier trigger pull is the first.

The only pistol that has a hard pull that can be made softer by coking it is a double action revolver.


42 posted on 08/19/2014 1:58:01 PM PDT by thorvaldr
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To: SeekAndFind

I bet the officer is left handed.


43 posted on 08/19/2014 1:59:09 PM PDT by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept? Vive Deco et Vives)
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To: thorvaldr

correct.
You can tell too when you shoot a glock to a SIG 229 on how much pressure one requires between a DA and DS,


44 posted on 08/19/2014 1:59:28 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: SandyInSeattle
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45 posted on 08/19/2014 1:59:48 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Six shots is FINE. Don’t worry about it. But, I have a SEVEN-shooter.


46 posted on 08/19/2014 1:59:48 PM PDT by 2harddrive
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To: Jeff Head

According to one source, they had had a hand to hand before wherein a shot was fired in the police car as Brown attempted to get the firearm away from the officer before he hit him in th eye.

Given his vision had to be affected and he had to be hurting, getting six on target in quick time is pretty good shooting. The last shot supposedly was inside six feet and to the forehead.


47 posted on 08/19/2014 2:00:22 PM PDT by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I think for New York cops the average number of shots fired per incident is about 22. One or two hit the perp, the rest ventilate surrounding buildings, cars and random citizens.


48 posted on 08/19/2014 2:01:15 PM PDT by dangerdoc ((this space for rent))
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To: Da Bilge Troll
no revolver and I would bet it was a double action only pistol too. The trigger pull on those is not that heavy and they train for rapid fire close assault situations.

Who ever posted this question it gun, ballistics, and law enforcement ignorant.

49 posted on 08/19/2014 2:01:20 PM PDT by oldenuff2no (Retired military dog handler)
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To: Mouton

Of course, but 6 is pretty low IMO.


50 posted on 08/19/2014 2:01:25 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I read that Dr Baden said he’d waived his fee? $10K the item said (don’t have link).


51 posted on 08/19/2014 2:01:32 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: SkyDancer

Yes - somebody that big high on pot and the cop with a girlie 9mm??
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Thought I read elsewhere that the department uses .40 Sig’s.


52 posted on 08/19/2014 2:01:55 PM PDT by chaosagent (Remember, no matter how you slice it, forbidden fruit still tastes the sweetest!)
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To: Jeff Head
He had already assaulted the officer, punching him and breaking his orbital bone around the officers eye.

That's not been confirmed, and could have been recoil, with the gun hitting him in the eye for all anybody knows at this point.

The mook would have had to been completely insane if he punched the cop in the eye hard enough to break his eye socket, got out of the car and ran 50 feet, and then turned around and charged while the cop had a bead on him.

Of course, the mook most likely WAS completely insane.

53 posted on 08/19/2014 2:02:18 PM PDT by Rome2000
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Actually, the count is a little low, considering the pi$$-poor shooting skills of today’s cops.


54 posted on 08/19/2014 2:03:28 PM PDT by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012

My bad.


55 posted on 08/19/2014 2:04:56 PM PDT by Not A Snowbird (Pain is inevitable. Misery is optional.)
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To: thorvaldr

Then you know little about small semi automatic pistols. My wife and I both carry DAO semi auto pistols with external hammers. One smooth pull draws the hammer back and releases it. The hammer is not cocked for the next shot. It is a good way to carry one in the chamber because there are no safeties to worry about.

Oh, I used to have a Ruger KP-94 that was double action on the first shot that left the hammer cocked on each successive shot with about a mile of take up before you got to the sear. Horrible trigger either way.


56 posted on 08/19/2014 2:05:53 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (The cure has become worse than the disease. Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: thorvaldr

My Sig is DO on first round. If I’m shooting tactical, I pull all the way through but if I’m target shooting, I cock for the first shot.


57 posted on 08/19/2014 2:06:30 PM PDT by dangerdoc ((this space for rent))
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To: thorvaldr

You could cock the Ruger for the first shot, too, if you wanted.


58 posted on 08/19/2014 2:07:02 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (The cure has become worse than the disease. Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’m a NRA certified pistol instructor. I often use falling steel torso targets for training. Knock ‘em down, set ‘em up.

I shoot regularly with another trainer who - until a housing development opened up downrange of the club where we shoot and club lawyers told us to stop rapid fire exercises - would empty a fifteen round magazine on one of these torsos before it hit ground.

“Who needs machine guns” he says. Such shooting is more common than you think. But rare among police officers we shoot with. They don’t train that hard.

So, under stressfire, with a broken face, likely blind in the eye he was struck by the 6’ 4” 300 lb “gentle giant” Officer Wilson managed to get every shot on target and stop the threat.

He deserves a medal, a raise, and great praise. No bystanders were hit.


59 posted on 08/19/2014 2:07:04 PM PDT by normbal (normbal. socialist occupied Maryland)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Pretty good shooting for a guy who had a fractured orbital bone in one of his eyes as he was being charged by the moose 6-4 290 pounds


60 posted on 08/19/2014 2:08:40 PM PDT by ballplayer
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