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Posted on 08/01/2014 9:43:30 PM PDT by bamahead
TOTTENVILLE (WABC) -- The New York Medical Examiner has ruled Eric Garner died from a chokehold used by a police officer during his arrest for selling untaxed, loose cigarettes last month, calling it a homicide.
The autopsy found that Garner, 43, died as a result of compression of neck, compression of chest and prone positioning during physical restraint by police.
Mayor Bill de Blasio released the following statement. "On behalf of all New Yorkers, I extend my deepest sympathies to the family of Eric Garner ... My administration will continue to work with all involved authorities, including the Richmond County District Attorney, to ensure a fair and justified outcome."
Contributing factors included acute and chronic bronchial asthma, obesity, and hypertensive cardiovascular disease, the medical examiner said.
"The NYPD has been informed of the preliminary findings by the Office of Chief Medical Examiner as it relates to the death of Eric Garner. We will continue to cooperate with the Richmond County District Attorney's office, which is the lead investigative entity in this case," Police Commissioner William Bratton said.
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The Staten Island district attorney will now determine whether to empanel a grand jury and charge officers in the death of Garner, who lived in the borough. The case is fraught with political consequences for District Attorney Daniel Donovan, a Republican whose office has a strong working relationship with the NYPD and whose constituents are overwhelmingly white and include many officers and their relatives.
If the officers aren't charged, there's fear the tensions surrounding Garner's death could dramatically increase, which is why City Hall wouldn't oppose the federal government assuming the case, according to a senior administration source who talked to the Associated Press.
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” That said, what were they to do, just walk away?!”
Four guys? Arrest him. What is that 90lbs per man? Traditionally (back when men were men) four guys who couldn’t control this guy into cuffs would have been known as pussies.
They did what they wanted to do which was teach a prole that he isn’t shit, and it went bad.
“But LEOs do not know what “retreat” means.”
Looked to me like the ones at the Bundy ranch figured it out pretty good...
This is not a black/white issue. It’s a police brutality issue.
“what ever happened to the law being instructive?”
Lysander Spooner said that law is force. Think about that one for a sec.
Like I said before, Lysander Spooner says that law is force. Every law ever created has within it the maximum of the death penalty as a consequence if not followed. Every law ever passed should be evaluated on that aspect. Is it worth killing someone if they don’t do x?
Our Founding Fathers hated democracy. They set up America as a Constitutional, representative Republic. Like Ayn Rand says about democracy...
The American system is not a democracy. It is a constitutional republic. A democracy, if you attach meaning to terms, is a system of unlimited majority rule; the classic example is ancient Athens. And the symbol of it is the fate of Socrates, who was put to death legally, because the majority didn’t like what he was saying, although he had initiated no force and had violated no one’s rights.
Democracy, in short, is a form of collectivism, which denies individual rights: the majority can do whatever it wants with no restrictions. In principle, the democratic government is all-powerful. Democracy is a totalitarian manifestation; it is not a form of freedom . . . .
The American system is a constitutionally limited republic, restricted to the protection of individual rights. In such a system, majority rule is applicable only to lesser details, such as the selection of certain personnel. But the majority has no say over the basic principles governing the government. It has no power to ask for or gain the infringement of individual rights.
http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/democracy.html
They didn’t find any cigs on him?
See the post just below yours. You made it by one single post.
oops, not 10, but post 6. She is very confident in her abilities to diagnose from wherever she is.
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This wasn't a minor crime like a murder, rape, kidnapping, bombing or carjacking.
This was failure to pay taxes.
Too many hits on YouTube for that to be the case here.
Rennes Templar ~ Really?
Yes really.
Did you see blood spurt out of his ears, hmmmm?
Point cheerfully conceded.
If it had been murder, rape, kidnapping, bombing or carjacking the NYT would not fail to insert “ALLEGED”.
“What I said was, and I’ll say it again, the guy did not die from strangulation or the choke hold. He died from a heart attack. Maybe the police should just stop making arrests on anybody who offers resistance in case they may have a heart attack.”
I guess we should be thankful the cop didn’t just shoot the guy right out of the box. I always thought the idea was to arrest someone and give them a fair trial. Any physical force applied was supposed to be in proportion to the immediate danger the suspect posed or as a response to escalating resistance on his part.
“...he dies in front of them ....”
Because he was choked, duh.
Like yourself, I wish these cops had chosen another course of action. I also wish this now deceased person had not been breaking the law and had not resisted arrest. And, I WISH for a lot of other things too.
With respect to your views, you seem to advocate a policy whereby all the cops in all confrontations are trained to “back off” and let an individual observed breaking the law “call his lawyer”. Seriously? How would that work?
Here’s a hypothetical, suppose a tough guy was harassing and fondling a young woman on the street. He’s not raping her or anything just groping and talking dirty to her. The Cops come up and tell him to stop. He tells them to FO. The Cops then “back off” and tell him to call his lawyer???
Is this what you are arguing?
Aren’t the CIRCUMSTANCES important? Who makes the decision on the street to “back off” and not enforce Law A but NOT “back off” and DO enforce Law Y?
That’s a lot of THINKING for your average street cop.
I agree with the thrust of your comments!
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