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Malaysian passenger plane crashes in Ukraine near Russian border: Ifax
Reuters ^ | 17 July 2014 | Alissa de Carbonne

Posted on 07/17/2014 8:24:22 AM PDT by CMB_polarization

A Malaysian passenger airliner with 295 people on board crashed in Ukraine near the Russian border, Interfax cited an aviation industry source as saying on Thursday.

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: aerospace; aviation; crash; malaysia; malaysianairlines; mh17; mh370; reset; russia; ukraine
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To: caww
Flightaware tracker....airlines avoiding Ukraine area....


401 posted on 07/17/2014 11:11:57 AM PDT by caww
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To: GRRRRR

I thought so, but doing research and from new posts here, they both had debris scattered same area. I’ll check into it later.


402 posted on 07/17/2014 11:12:02 AM PDT by huldah1776
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Clapping just before Obama spoke, can the people on site tell the crowd to withhold any applause...could the POTUS say some words and cancel the preplanned speech?? I miss Bush with all his faults!!!!


403 posted on 07/17/2014 11:12:16 AM PDT by yield 2 the right
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To: McGruff
You gotta ask who would benefit from this. Russia - no Rebels - no Ukraine - no Others who want to make trouble - maybe

Who would benefit from a communist Russia? Must be the Jews. Muslims?(Heavy sarcasm)

404 posted on 07/17/2014 11:12:58 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: huldah1776

In my whole career I was never in the air when a missile locked on us except once; on a C-130 flying into Tuzla, Bosnia on a flight from Ramstein. All I was doing was going to teach computer security to the Intel staff of IFOR.

When the anti-missile device started wailing, the pilot dropped the bird like a stone. I think I went weightless for a second. I thought we were crashing. Scariest moment in my life. And then I noticed the crew looking at us passengers (me and a captain) with shit-eatin’ grins. (Lucky we were wearing BDUs to hide the wet spots). Bastages!


405 posted on 07/17/2014 11:13:27 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: McGruff

How about somebody just royally F’d up. SNAFU has been a word in our military since WWII for good reason. Also the word cluster.


406 posted on 07/17/2014 11:15:16 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: Neoliberalnot

The Russian military officer serving as the leader of the Russian mercenaries in the Ukraine was bragging online about how they used a SAM to shoot down another Ukrainian aircraft into a garbage heap, until they realized they shot down the Malaysian airliner instead. Then they went into full coverup mode and tried to scrub the Internet to hide their previous comments on their webpages.


407 posted on 07/17/2014 11:15:24 AM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: McGruff

The “maybe” is key I think.....but things throughout Ukraine are so corrupt and mismanaged there’s no telling how this event will eventually play.

However there are those who have ulterior motives to “arrange” further conflict between Nato and Russia.

Additionally, the news had pretty much left Ukraine in the shadows after Gaza esculation. Might be of similar minds doing this as NKorea;s leader when he isn’t getting the attention he wants......he fires missles etc.


408 posted on 07/17/2014 11:15:30 AM PDT by caww
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To: Zhang Fei

Even the question, “who benefits?” is strange, when it is more likely than not that someone made a mistake.


409 posted on 07/17/2014 11:15:55 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: caww
BREAKING NEWS: FLIGHT MH17 HAD DIVERTED FROM ITS USUAL FLIGHT PATH. (CNN)

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That's twice!!!! Not trying to be funny, merely pointing it out....

410 posted on 07/17/2014 11:16:10 AM PDT by yield 2 the right
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To: McGruff

Exactly....why would it go off path....but lets wait and see if that was actually the case...or CNN screwing things up.


411 posted on 07/17/2014 11:17:16 AM PDT by caww
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To: McGruff
US pilots previously told not to fly over Ukraine

not to fly over portions of Ukraine in the Crimea region, according to notices posted on the agency's website.

412 posted on 07/17/2014 11:17:45 AM PDT by kabar
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To: caww

#Ukraine’s President says he can confirm his armed forces “did not fire at any targets in the sky” http://cnn.it/1rtVc2V

Sounds like Clintonspeak. Why can’t he just say “we didn’t shoot it down”.


413 posted on 07/17/2014 11:18:29 AM PDT by McGruff (Denial: It's Not Just a River in Egypt)
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To: dfwgator

The Federal Aviation Administration: (via Fox)

.... had warned U.S. pilots earlier this year not to fly over portions of Ukraine in the Crimea region, according to notices posted on the agency’s website.

The notices were posted on April 23. The U.N.’s International Civil Aviation Organization and the aviation authorities in most countries issue similar notices for areas where unrest or military conflict creates a risk of being shot down.


414 posted on 07/17/2014 11:18:46 AM PDT by caww
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To: caww

You watch way too much friggin’ TV. How about this:

Somebody F’d up.

Simple, plausible, and most importantly, terribly common and human.


415 posted on 07/17/2014 11:19:34 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: caww

I read that the pilots had the option of taking this route, but most don’t. This pilot was probably trying to save fuel or something when he took this route.


416 posted on 07/17/2014 11:20:01 AM PDT by livius
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To: livius

And no doubt MA needs money, given their previous problems. Probably told the pilot not to waste a drop.


417 posted on 07/17/2014 11:21:42 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: All; mickie; pax_et_bonum; flaglady47; Maine Mariner
The news is really churning with rumors.

First possibility was surface-to-air missile, then air-to-air missile, then bomb or "incident" aboard the plane, then plane diverted from path.....

What's next, possible hi-jacking attempt, perhaps pilot suicide by intentional crashing....maybe collision with UFO......

Stay tuned.....the daily news is never dull anymore, mostly nerve-wracking or horrific. We are living in chaotic times.

Leni

418 posted on 07/17/2014 11:21:57 AM PDT by MinuteGal
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To: McGruff

Well....they’re all going to deny until the evidence is actually in...I suspect even then it will be blamed on terrorist’s as easiest way to protect whoever actually took the shot.


419 posted on 07/17/2014 11:23:11 AM PDT by caww
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To: kabar

Alleged crash & explosion video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hbAirCuNnA


420 posted on 07/17/2014 11:23:20 AM PDT by lodi90
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