Posted on 06/26/2014 5:24:05 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
Via Mediaite, an easy lay-up here for a guy who (a) warned the world about Saddam’s WMD threat more than once as president, (b) cautiously declined to take a firm position against the war at the time, and (c) is of course married to someone who cast a vote in the Senate to invade.
But never mind that. This is an interesting counterfactual: What would have happened to Iraq during the Arab Spring and Syrian uprising if Saddam had endured? Clinton implicitly assumes that ISIS advancing on Baghdad is the worst possible outcome of the past 10 years, which is the smart play politically when your wife’s desperate to appease the anti-war left en route to her party’s nomination. Is it true, though? Assume that Egyptians had toppled Mubarak in 2011 with Saddam watching from Baghdad. At a minimum, he would have cracked down hard on Iraq’s Shiites to suppress an insurrection before it caught fire, and if you know anything about the 1991 Shiite uprising, you know how much blood a Saddam “crackdown” could draw. Meanwhile, maybe the Sunnis across the border in Syria, inspired by Mubarak’s ouster, still would have revolted against Assad. What would have been Saddam’s move then? He could have come to Assad’s rescue, one Baathist defending another from a rebellion in the name of protecting autocracy, but his relations with Assad were poor so he may well have stood pat — in which case Iran might have moved to defend Assad, fearing that the Sunnis in Syria would overrun the Shiite regime just as Saddam was crushing the Shiites in Iraq.
That would have put Iranian forces on two of Iraq’s borders, an encirclement Saddam couldn’t tolerate. In which case, maybe he’d throw in with Syria’s Sunnis in the name of bleeding Iran. He wasn’t above cooperating with terrorists when it served his interests; in fact, one of his chief henchmen is rumored to be working with ISIS right now against Maliki. Would a long proxy war in Syria, with Saddam and Sunni jihadis on one side and Iran, Hezbollah, and Assad on the other, have been better or worse for the region? The virtue of it, such as it is, is that it would have kept a gigantic mess of degenerates fighting with each other instead of thinking about America. What the death toll would have looked like, though, heaven only knows. That’s the thing about the Middle East — there’s really no such thing as a good outcome. That’s the point Clinton should have made vis-a-vis the hubris of the U.S. invasion, not raising a counterfactual that relies on Saddam Hussein as some sort of moderating force.
Exit question: How would Saddam have reacted over the past 10 years to his archenemies in Iran bringing thousands of new uranium centrifuges online?
Klintoon wagging his crooked finger again. His legacy is a stained blue dress.
Yeah, Bill, show them weakness back then rather than today and somehow there is a different outcome...right...got it...
Somebody who understands the history of Iraq rather than the fantasy that Saddam Hussein was a pluralist and secularist. Congrats. BTW how many Americans would know who Abu Nidal, Abu Abbas and Abu Zarqawi were and why they were in Baghdad?
the guy that officially turned the presidency into a late night punch-line said what? The dress stainer and cigar ruiner said what?
Yes and it is because of his INACTION in Iraq when he was president that we had 911. Thanks for nothing pervert. Why don’t you go crawl back under the rock you came out of. We don’t need you advice and we didn’t ask for it.
.... And If not for that Choomer in the Whitehouse right now, none of what’s in Iraq right now would be happening.
...and if only Bill’s mother had aborted, we wouldn’t have to support his sorry ass for the rest of his pathetic life.
Hey, Slick, if you had been more interested in preventing terrorism and less interested in getting Lewinsky’s under the desk, 9-11 wouldn’t have happened, and if 9-11 didn’t happen, we wouldn’t have invaded Iraq.
So, STFU, and go find some top-heavy slut to pursue.
I sense the US is currently a Narco Nation. (A nation who's government is beholden to the all powerful cartels.)
Samuel Hersch, famed author, did a good job of connecting the dots of Obama's illegal use of the US military to go to war in Lybia, Syria, and Pakistan, in his book.
The Red Line and the Rat Line.
Obama's Illegal Use of US Military A True Concern "The real Obama scandal: fighting illegal wars in Libya and Pakistan The AP, IRS and Benghazi controversies are political sideshows. Obama's use of illegal force abroad is true concern" The Guardian 2013.
Carter Deja Vu
Barack Obama, George Soros and Zbigniew Brzezinski are behind the fall of Egypt and the coming Islamic Revolution "Obama and the Shadow Socialist Group Behind Egypt’s Fall made it possible for the Muslim Brotherhood to take over. For those of you who don’t know, Brzezinski is the same man who supervised the fall of the Shah of Iran in 1979 under Jimmy Carter."
According to Buried Documents, the Muslim Brotherhood has been in the US since at least 1991.
Those documents reveal their Islamic Revolution plans for the US.
The ridiculously wealthy UAE (Qatar) also seem to be carrying the torch for ensuring an Islamic world under Sharia Law.
Seeds of Terror
How heroin is bankrolling the Taliban and al Qaeda.
2014 Report: Drug shipments off of Africa have "significantly increased since 2009"
Drug trafficking, kidnapping fund al Qaeda CNN 2011
Qatar used as transit point by drug traffickers: Expert 2013
Obama released 5 high risk terrorists, in exchange for an American military deserter, to the care of Qatar, again without congressional approval. This is the same country that the US established for Taliban headquarters in 2011.
Islamic Revolutionaries under tied to the Heroin trade along with most other drugs, as well as human trafficking. Newsweek 2013
Heroin production hits record levels in Afghanistan - study
State Department Reports Hezbollah Increasing Drug and Terrorist in South America 2013
Local reports of epidemic heroin abuse across the nation, are mostly ignored by mainstream media. "Once rare, heroin use on the rise" More people seek help; police seeing more on street -2014 “The evidence seems to indicate that the Justice Department not only allowed criminals to smuggle weapons, but that tax payers’ dollars in the form of informant payments, may have financed those engaging in such activities,” the pleading added.
Holder's ATF Arming Sinaloa Cartel, and Informants report on the Justice Dept.
Sinaloa cartel is the same murderous drug cartel that Holder's ATF curiously gave an arsenal of weapons to in the Fast and Furious scandal. The Fast and Furious Red Herring
"The horrific toll of America's heroin 'epidemic' " America's Heroin Epidemic -BBC 2014
CONFIRMED: The DEA Struck A Deal With Mexico's Most Notorious Drug Cartel (They claimed feds agreed they could traffic into Chicago)
"The link between drugs and crime, including violent crime, would be hard to overstate in Chicago. Eighty-six percent of adult males arrested in Chicago last year tested positive for drug use. Chicago, with a population of 2.7 million, had 506 murders in 2012, the highest per capita among the four most populous U.S. cities."
Australian Navy Seizing Record Amounts of Drugs Off of Africa, in Indian Ocean
Opiates are now the leading cause of accidental deaths, surpassing car crashes and alcohol.
SEC Ignores Wall Street Banks Laundering Billions in Drug Money -2011
JP Morgan openly launders money in cities such as Caracas, Venezuela. Chavez turned that nation into one of the biggest drug distributors of the world. The people have no toilet paper, but they have plenty of cocaine. JP Morgan Laundering Money in Caracas
DEA has been caught laundering money as well, "Agency officials declined to publicly discuss details of their work, citing concerns about compromising their investigations." How convenient?
US Agents Launder Money for the Drug Cartels -NY Times 2011
Banks Laundering Cartel Drug Money
HSBC Bank Laundering for Soros and cartels
There is no War on Drugs.
Drug Legalization was paid for by the Cartel favorite Money Launderer, not citizen activism.
Drug legalization was never about personal liberties. It was about acceptance of drugs. Drugs provided by the cartels, and ease of laundering money by banks.
Feds seek prison for Washington pot growers -Yahoo News 2014
What America isn’t understanding is that Drug Legalization is social engineering at it’s finest. Those who laundered money for the cartels, have been pushing drug legalization, including heroin since the 90’s.
The Hidden Soros Agenda: Drugs, Money, the Media, and Political Power-2004
"Afghanistan is responsible for about three-quarters of the world’s heroin production, with much of it being cultivated in the Helmand and Kandahar provinces in the south of the country. However, the US has concentrated most of its efforts in the east of Afghanistan, which has relatively little poppy production, as it is safer than working in the south."
"The link between drugs and crime, including violent crime, would be hard to overstate in Chicago. Eighty-six percent of adult males arrested in Chicago last year tested positive for drug use. Chicago, with a population of 2.7 million, had 506 murders in 2012, the highest per capita among the four most populous U.S. cities."
$Billions in influence cartel influence peddling, and lobbying, is what has led people to believe that the war on drugs was useless. If you dont believe these ruthless sociopaths are going after your children, think again.
George Soros creates Methadone Superhero to Market drugs to Kids.
This level of trafficking would not happen without government complicity. Heroin isn't grown here, and it is cheaper and easier for kids to get than beer.
El-Presidente has an amazing knack for siding with the wrong people.
It was Clinton. What a scum he is.
You are absolutely right. How quickly we forget.
Thing is we don’t know what would have happened had we not going to Iraq. One can only imagine the mischief Sadam would have caused.
But regardless of whether Bush did the right on wrong thing, every president gets dealt a hand when he takes over and he should make the best of it. Obama has totally butchered his in both domestic and foreign policies.
“If Clinton had taken out Bin Laden when he had the chance, instead of avoiding the decision at the golf course, perhaps 9/11 wouldn’t have occurred.”
Worth repeating.
MR. PRESIDENT. Have you forgotten that the sanctions that killed 500,000 children and teenagers in Iraq during your Presidency were lifted as a direct result of the war? If we had continued with your policies of sanctions and occasional bombings, how many would be dead by now?
He’s right. Oh, God! I just threw up a little.
Thanks kat, I couldn't have said it better.......
You’re right for once in your life, Bent One. It is Clinton’s fault.
Funny how the peanut packer and his incompetence gets left out of the discussion.
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