Sheriff: Feds strategize for 'raid' on ranch [Sheriff Mack]

WND ^ | April 14, 2014

[Jim Robinson]

Warning follows threat from Harry Reid that grazing dispute 'not over'

The chief of the Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association says his sources inside the federal government are warning that Washington’s weekend retreat in a dispute over grazing land in Nevada was just to distract and defuse – because a raid on the family’s ranch still is being strategized.

And there probably would be violence involved, said Richard Mack, the former sheriff of Grisham County, Ariz.

“I don’t think it would be possible” to launch a raid without violence, he told WND Monday. “I don’t the Bundys would lie down and be taken.”

He cited the threat from Sen. Harry Reid, D-Nev., that the confrontation was far from over, despite the weekend’s retreat by armed gunmen working for federal agencies.

Reid on Monday told KRNV-TV in Reno. “It’s not over. We can’t have an American people that violate the law and then just walk away from it. So it’s not over.”

[kiryandil]

You are correct, and its not just on FR, go visit other gun talk forums. They had marching orders to divide the peasants and to create dissent.

I call it the "Horatio at the bridge" strategy, from the famous Roman soldier Horatius Cocles.

All they have to do is position several defenders to spout a simple party line, like "grazing fees" and "kook" and "tortoiseForts".

The Horatios tend to be "veterans" and/or "Christians", because those types are already respected on FR. They're put in position many, many years ahead of time.

That "positioning" thingee is one of the reasons why FR gave them so much trouble in the early days. It was pretty easy to spot the disruptors.

Now, sometimes the plants go back to the time of the March.

[kiryandil]

Given the past history and perceived threats

Hogwash.

This is a BLM talking point.

[kiryandil]

chulai is using what's called "The Delphi Technique".

Nice try, chulai.

[stevie_d_64]

I’m sorry dipstick (Reid), who exactly escalated this situation, and actually broke the laws???

Yep...

Sounds to me like Harry Reid is levying a terroristic threat to the citizens of that area...And others coming in to support those ranchers...

Could that possibly be an abuse of power???

Hey, Nevada...Y’all need to take out the trash soon, its been stinking for way too long...

If y’all do not get it done, don’t come crying a river to any of us after that opportunity...

[Scrambler Bob]

Out here it’s hard to have a beer on BLM land without a Ranger telling you he’s going to look in your truck, or he’s going to seize it on the spot. -—

Correct. BLM issued ‘regulaions’ banning even possession of glass beverage containers on “BLM” land.

http://www.jawbone.org/foj/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&id=51&Itemid=128

Can’ get “nude” either.

[morphing libertarian]

Not familiar with the recent history of public lands.

Seems like Reid is buying up a lot of land along US 95.

He got the Hero of Benghazi to close Yucca Mountain making it harder to sell nuke energy and now his family is doing solar.

[Robert Teesdale]

I’m not sure “unpleasant” is how I would describe it. “Natural” might be more accurate.

Well, yes. It's natural, and predictable. Still horrific. Micropreventable and macroinevitable thanks to human nature and the State.

The entire idea of the law is based on the idea of preventing blood feuds and vendettas through fair arbitration by someone more powerful than either side. However, if government does not fairly arbitrate, taking the side of a criminal or civil oppressor against the public, or even supporting them, the social contract has been broken, and the old rules come to the fore.

This is where the breakpoint of collectivist ideology fails, with mass murder as return on investment. Because they believe that the nature of Man can be changed with ideas, they force the process into default.

"At least twice now, at Waco and Ruby Ridge, and truthfully much more than that, government has been seen by the public as tyrannical and oppressive, not unbiased, fair, or even concerned with legal recourse instead of massacre and brutality. And then, cynically vindicating those who carried out such abuses, and even promoting them for their offenses


Even if some individuals, like Timothy McVeigh, respond in kind quickly to such acts, the public as a whole just watches and remembers, and while they are much slower to anger, the anger is there.

I don't think that speed of anger is a differentiator. The true differentiator is the speed of decision.

As with vigilante organizations, the public as a whole tries to remain non-violent until they are pushed to their limit. Arrogant tyrants in government always figure that they can arm enough of their government to put down the public; and more so, they figure they can purge their military and police of those who will not mindlessly oppress the public.

And most of the time that works. Until it doesn't.

But this is a grave error on their part, because the military and the police are members of the public, and while some of them may be willing to turn their guns on civilians, there will always be many more who not only will not, but will turn their guns on those doing so.

Indira Ghandi

Assassination of Karzai's Brother

MICE. Money, Ideology, Conscience, Ego. These are the drivers of treason. In this American situation, it is Conscience that is rearing its head. Conscience is the hardest one to put down.

When this happens, shortly thereafter, tyrannical politicians and bureaucrats find themselves hanging from light poles, often at the hands of those they thought were loyal to them. The public, as such, doesn’t even need to dirty its hands.

And he who becomes master of a city accustomed to freedom and does not destroy it, may expect to be destroyed by it, for in rebellion it has always the watch-word of liberty and its ancient privileges as a rallying point, which neither time nor benefits will ever cause it to forget. And what ever you may do or provide against, they never forget that name or their privileges unless they are disunited or dispersed but at every chance they immediately rally to them, as Pisa after the hundred years she had been held in bondage by the Florentines.

And as experience shows, many have been the conspiracies, but few have been successful; because he who conspires cannot act alone, nor can he take a companion except from those whom he believes to be malcontents, and as soon as you have opened your mind to a malcontent you have given him the material with which to content himself, for by denouncing you he can look for every advantage; so that, seeing the gain from this course to be assured, and seeing the other to be doubtful and full of dangers, he must be a very rare friend, or a thoroughly obstinate enemy of the prince, to keep faith with you. Machiavelli

As well:

Everything can collapse. Houses, bodies, and enemies collapse when their rhythm becomes deranged. Musashi

Rare friends rally, and the surety of the State is deranged.

[hattend]

We can’t have an American people that violate the law and then just walk away from it. So it’s not over.

Is Reid talking about the Bundys or the JBT of the US Gov't here? Who walked away, Hairy?

[wastedyears]

I’m hoping there would be limits.

But look at the Bonus Army march.

[MarMema]

And they all operate with the same lines -

"the cause is good, bundy is not worth it because he is a kook."

Those patriots must have *really* scared the heck out of them...they sent their minions here to do their best.

They conveniently skipped my post to them about the court cases re: grandfathering in open range rights in Nevada.

[ourworldawry]

“the federal government are warning that Washington’s weekend retreat in a dispute over grazing land in Nevada was just to distract and defuse”

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LOLOL. Sure it was. You know, they are falling apart with the belief that we are none the wiser because of it. I’m guessing this will not end well for anyone?

[MarMema]

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3144484/posts?page=7#7

[MarMema]

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3144484/posts?page=7#7

[editor-surveyor]

No, not group thought, but real thought.

Try it, it works.

[editor-surveyor]

>> The “compound” was an FBI operation <<

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The “compound” was a self sustaining Christian school.

Our military buried and burned mostly women and children alive for that sin against government schools.
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[TheBlackSwan]

Strong parallels...

[TheBlackSwan]

I seem to remember reading about partisans and guerillas hitting back where those occupying forces live, work, when they least expect it, are vulnerable and weak, etc. A leveling of the playing field.

[editor-surveyor]

Why don’t you give us a break, and take your statist crap somewhere else.
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[editor-surveyor]

>> “Of course the military would fire. They’re trained to follow orders.” <<

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Our military will fire because they were never educated to recognize an illegitimate order when their minds were being molded by our Government skrewal system.
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[sport]

If he/she did that, three more would take his/ her place.