Posted on 04/14/2014 4:29:29 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
Warning follows threat from Harry Reid that grazing dispute 'not over'
The chief of the Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association says his sources inside the federal government are warning that Washington’s weekend retreat in a dispute over grazing land in Nevada was just to distract and defuse – because a raid on the family’s ranch still is being strategized.
And there probably would be violence involved, said Richard Mack, the former sheriff of Grisham County, Ariz.
“I don’t think it would be possible” to launch a raid without violence, he told WND Monday. “I don’t the Bundys would lie down and be taken.”
He cited the threat from Sen. Harry Reid, D-Nev., that the confrontation was far from over, despite the weekend’s retreat by armed gunmen working for federal agencies.
Reid on Monday told KRNV-TV in Reno. “It’s not over. We can’t have an American people that violate the law and then just walk away from it. So it’s not over.”
(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...
Get rid of Cliven Bundy’s name and you’ve got a great PR piece. Or, better, find real ranchers who paid the fees, stayed within the law and were driven out of business and use their name/names.
It isn’t that I believe the government to be in the right. They’re against logging, ranching, recreational activities and have become the tool of the Watermelons. Clive Bundy’s just the wrong case and the wrong guy to hang our hat on.
We need a Rosa Parks-type figure. Do you even know of Bundy’s got the million dollars set aside in escrow? If you cannot get regular posters at FR to back this, then how will you get the mushy middle?
The fact is that the facts and the law are against Bundy. The more that comes out on him the kookier he’ll seem to the general public, because he is basing his argument on kook ideas.
In your comparison you put together too kooks. I want our guy to not be a kook. Bundy’s legal theories are hokum. Where are the other ranchers? Find a good one, a family that’s paid and still been abused. That works.
What you’re mixing up is the right cause, but the wrong hero. Does BLM or EPA or COE conspire with Watermelons to harm and alter the law. The Federal Land Policy and Management Act is being twisted out of shape. That doesn’t mean that Bundy’s cause is just or his case solid.
Other ranchers with similar theories have lost again and again in court. Bundy will lose and all the energy spent on him will be in vain. It’s great that the BLM armed response backed down. This will simmer and then the BLM will just win in court, lien his assets which will be allowed and directed by a court of law, and Bundy will be forced to pay at any sale or from his accounts in banks.
Let’s not get confused. We’re right, government is abusing. Cliven Bundy, though, is not the right hero for our cause.
I don’t think they care about backlash. The left rule the country, or so they think, and we are nothing but their subjects.
These people wouldn’t mind killing those who stand in their way. And they wouldn’t mind losing a few BLM “pawns” if it means getting what they want.
Oh I get it! Kinda like if I don't like Obama then I am a racist?
Group thought, huh!
Yep......
And how important the tortoiseForts are, and The Boundary Peak dock-Yards are, and The Yellow-Back Gear Queer Waterway* is.
*The Yellow-Back Gear Queer Waterway, a navigable Inland Waterway, was hastily constructed by the US Army Corpse of Engineers at the behest of President-Princess Pinocchio, in order to expedite the transfer of fresh Wagyu steaks to the White Hut's gourmet kitchens, and Arsenals.
Oddly, it happened at the Best Possible Time for the Fedcoats.
Of course, afterwards, it was discovered the compound where McVeigh was hanging out was nothing but a big FBI snitch operation.
The Fedcoats knew.
The government was up to its eyeballs in Oklahoma City. That's probably one of the reasons they put down McVeigh so quickly. Usually, it takes 20 years plus to kill someone on death row these days.
The "compound" was an FBI operation.
I have no doubt we have liberals supporting the liberal/communist cause. He is one of them.
Oh, great - the kook is up for the morning.
Anybody too stupid to move out of Deep Blue Territory is NOT a good source of advice on this matter.
The Fedcoats were conspiring against Hage, just as they conspired against Bundy, and CONTINUE to conspire against Bundy.
We have quite the enthusiastic bunch of “Bundy is a kook deadbeat” types on FR these days, eh?
You are correct, and its not just on FR, go visit other gun talk forums. They had marching orders to divide the peasants and to create dissent.
So, in your view, there are no limits on a soldier following orders?
I’m not sure “unpleasant” is how I would describe it. “Natural” might be more accurate.
The entire idea of the law is based on the idea of preventing blood feuds and vendettas through fair arbitration by someone more powerful than either side. However, if government does not fairly arbitrate, taking the side of a criminal or civil oppressor against the public, or even supporting them, the social contract has been broken, and the old rules come to the fore.
At least twice now, at Waco and Ruby Ridge, and truthfully much more than that, government has been seen by the public as tyrannical and oppressive, not unbiased, fair, or even concerned with legal recourse instead of massacre and brutality. And then, cynically vindicating those who carried out such abuses, and even promoting them for their offenses.
Even if some individuals, like Timothy McVeigh, respond in kind quickly to such acts, the public as a whole just watches and remembers, and while they are much slower to anger, the anger is there.
As with vigilante organizations, the public as a whole tries to remain non-violent until they are pushed to their limit. Arrogant tyrants in government always figure that they can arm enough of their government to put down the public; and more so, they figure they can purge their military and police of those who will not mindlessly oppress the public.
But this is a grave error on their part, because the military and the police are members of the public, and while some of them may be willing to turn their guns on civilians, there will always be many more who not only will not, but will turn their guns on those doing so.
When this happens, shortly thereafter, tyrannical politicians and bureaucrats find themselves hanging from light poles, often at the hands of those they thought were loyal to them. The public, as such, doesn’t even need to dirty its hands.
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