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Soros doubles a bearish bet on the S&P 500, to the tune of $1.3 billion
Marketwatch ^

Posted on 02/18/2014 4:30:02 AM PST by Red in Blue PA

Soros Fund Management has doubled up a bet that the S&P 500 SPX is headed for a fall.

Within Friday’s 13F filings news was the revelation that the firm, founded by legendary investor George Soros, increased a put position on the S&P 500 ETF SPY +0.10% by a whopping 154% in the fourth quarter, compared with the third. (A put or short position basically gives the owner the right to sell a security at a set price for a limited time, and in making such a bet, an investor generally believes the security is going to decline.)

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: stockmarket
Watch what the Billionaires are doing, not what the talking heads are saying.
1 posted on 02/18/2014 4:30:02 AM PST by Red in Blue PA
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To: Red in Blue PA

That’s why they are Billionaires - they leverage their money, then cash in when everyone is cashing out.


2 posted on 02/18/2014 4:34:32 AM PST by stars & stripes forever (Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord.)
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To: Red in Blue PA
These manipulators destroyed America before.

No accountability? Then, just like the IRS'
and Obama's utter corruption, IT WILL HAPPEN AGAIN.

3 posted on 02/18/2014 4:34:40 AM PST by Diogenesis
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To: Diogenesis

Manipulators?

He filed a form showing exactly what position he took....everyone can see it. Some choose to ignore it.


4 posted on 02/18/2014 4:35:51 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Red in Blue PA

What is the duration of this put? He will lose his entire investment if it expires worthless.


5 posted on 02/18/2014 4:36:44 AM PST by proxy_user
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To: Red in Blue PA
Whenever there is a "revelation" about what a big player like Soros or Buffett is doing, I wonder if they don't have shiploads of the position they they are trying to unload.

They're such big fish that they can't slip into and out of markets without making some huge waves like we minnows can. Very interesting information, but caveat emptor!

6 posted on 02/18/2014 4:39:20 AM PST by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: Sooth2222

Buffet doesn’t generally get out. He gets in and holds forever


7 posted on 02/18/2014 4:40:32 AM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Smart investment: he bought the White House for the most maliciously destructive America-hater in history, and now he’s betting that his puppet will further damage our country. I suspect he’ll profit on what is pretty much a sure thing.


8 posted on 02/18/2014 4:44:34 AM PST by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: Pollster1

I hpe he gets Trading Placed Akroy and Murphy style

Some people become detached from reality and get a god complex when they have too much money. Soros is one of them. If he believes in true redistribution of wealth he should start the ball rolling first but we know elites like to manipulate not participate so it ain’t happenin’


9 posted on 02/18/2014 5:05:20 AM PST by jsanders2001
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To: Red in Blue PA
What do think will happen will Soros passes away?

Where does all of his money go? And who will take his place?

10 posted on 02/18/2014 5:26:38 AM PST by A Cyrenian (Don't worry about stuffing the bus or filling the fridge. Try filling the Church.)
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To: Red in Blue PA
The article also mentioned that he is purchasing more gold.
11 posted on 02/18/2014 5:32:49 AM PST by 2001convSVT (Going Galt as fast as I can.)
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To: stars & stripes forever

Soros saw the line graph paralleling the 1929 crash.

April is the month supposedly.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-02-12/some-lines-say-maybe-the-stock-market-will-go-down.html


12 posted on 02/18/2014 5:48:09 AM PST by A'elian' nation ("Political Correctness does not legislate tolerance; it only organizes hatred." Jacques Barzun)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Why do you think he loves Obama? The destruction of America makes him fortunes.

Pray America wakes up


13 posted on 02/18/2014 5:52:58 AM PST by bray (The Republic of Texas 2022 coming soon)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Soros makes his money by scaring people.


14 posted on 02/18/2014 6:45:16 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: blueunicorn6
Soros makes his money by scaring people.

People choose to be scared or not.
15 posted on 02/18/2014 7:55:13 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: A Cyrenian
What do think will happen will Soros passes away?

Party at my house!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

16 posted on 02/18/2014 7:56:21 AM PST by angcat
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To: Red in Blue PA

Not saying whether they still have that position, i have no idea but its important to understand the news is pretty dated as markets go, its 6 weeks old right? Its incredibly liquid so it could very well already be gone or long, we don’t know. Second they are used for hedging. They can offset long positions in stocks. If thats the case its totally misrepresenting the position.
More and more i see made up news stories. Take an isolated fact and spin it any which way you want. Not you of course but the bloggers, the writers. In this case we have a solitary position in a security which without other facts not to mention how dated it is, is meaningless.


17 posted on 02/18/2014 8:48:07 AM PST by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: wiggen

Even an isolated bet is significant if it is as large as $1.3 Billion, as puts have a finite life and will expire worthless.

To make such a big bet one would need supreme confidence that the S&P will tank in the near future. And Soros did not get rich by making bad bets.


18 posted on 02/18/2014 9:02:20 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: angcat

That’s the attitude. Great job!


19 posted on 02/18/2014 12:18:58 PM PST by A Cyrenian (Don't worry about stuffing the bus or filling the fridge. Try filling the Church.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

No. Its a 4th quarter position. You’re making a mistake calling it a bet. The writer knows better. He may state its a bet but he has no idea.
The average volume is 122 million btw. the average price over 12 months has been 168.61. The average daily volume, right up until now, in dollars is $22.5 billion. Just to put that in perspective.


20 posted on 02/19/2014 9:45:37 AM PST by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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