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Pat Robertson begs Ken Ham to shut up
Salon Media Group ^ | 02/05/2014 | Elias Isquith

Posted on 02/06/2014 8:33:34 AM PST by PapaNew

Creationist Ken Ham is having his 15 minutes, following a live debate on evolution held between himself and Bill Nye “The Science Guy” on Tuesday.

And while you’d expect most folks to deem Nye the winner (which they have), Ham is receiving criticism from a source you might not expect: televangelist Pat Robertson.

On the Wednesday edition of his TV show, “The 700 Club,” Robertson indirectly implored Ham to put a sock in it, criticizing Ham’s view that the Earth is only 6,000 years old.

“Let’s face it, there was a bishop [James Ussher] … who added up the dates listed in Genesis and he came up with the world had been around for 6,000 years,” Robertson began. “There ain’t no way that’s possible … To say that it all came about in 6,000 years is just nonsense and I think it’s time we come off of that stuff and say this isn’t possible.”

“We’ve got to be realistic that the dating of Bishop Ussher just doesn’t comport with anything that’s found in science,” Robertson continued, “and you can’t just totally deny the geological formations that are out there.”

“Let’s be real,” Robertson begged, “let’s not make a joke of ourselves.”

(Excerpt) Read more at salon.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: creation; creationism; darwinism; debate; eliasisquith; hamnyedebate; intelligentdesign; jamesussher; kenham; patrobertson; salon; the700club; youngearth
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To: DoodleDawg

Watch the debate.

For every question, Mr Ham told Mr. Nye that if he wanted all the answers to how old the earth was or information about Flood Geology all he had to do was read one Book.

Mr. Ham did not have to be there, because he has read about it from a book written by The One who was there.

It is as simple as that.


181 posted on 02/06/2014 12:37:28 PM PST by Oliviaforever
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To: DoodleDawg
Yet we’re supposed to belive that Science is wrong because Ham said so, and that Ham is right because he claims God said so? No thanks.

Face it. You're just not smart enough to understand things the way the enlightened ones do. (snickering sarcasm)
182 posted on 02/06/2014 12:38:28 PM PST by ZX12R (Never forget the heroes of Benghazi, who were abandoned to their deaths by Obama)
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To: Fuzz

Do you understand the faith required by both evolutionists and Creationists ?

Do you understand that science and it’s standards are based on methods that science CAN”T explain ?


183 posted on 02/06/2014 12:41:00 PM PST by Zeneta
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To: DoodleDawg

No, “science” isn’t “wrong”. And hammers aren’t “wrong”, either.

It’s a tool for examining the observable.


184 posted on 02/06/2014 12:41:10 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: DoodleDawg

Please watch the debate.

In that debate at the Creation Museum, Mr. Ham pointed to several instances where scientists were wrong and if they were wrong before it is highly probable that they are wrong now.


185 posted on 02/06/2014 12:41:25 PM PST by Oliviaforever
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To: Oliviaforever

It’s really funny that in conversations with liberals, you run into the same thing.

For some reason, they’re able to determine that some part of society was “wrong” in the past, but it just doesn’t occur to them that what they believe now might be determined to be wrong sometime in the future...


186 posted on 02/06/2014 12:43:04 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Oliviaforever
No. Nye took the hard earned money from the Creation Museum not only under his misguided attempted to lead our children and apparently even some adults astray, but also out if pure greed.

And Ham paid Nye his 30 pieces of silver because???? Could it be he needs some publicity, any publicity to generate interest in his failing museum? And is willing to pay someone to pollute the minds of children and corrupt their souls as you say?

187 posted on 02/06/2014 12:43:44 PM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: xone

I’m sorry you feel that way – but the age of the Earth has no bearing on my salvation. The Bible also describes man being formed out of dust - but does not discuss the staggering complexity and nanotechnology of the living cell, and the digitally-coded information content of DNA. I also will not deny DNA and claim it is really dust – but I will marvel at God’s creation.


188 posted on 02/06/2014 12:51:05 PM PST by Heartlander (We are all Rodeo Clowns now!)
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To: ZX12R

“I Alone”

it’s easier not to be wise
and measure these things by your brains
I sank into Eden with you
alone in the church by and by
I’ll read to you here, save your eyes
you’ll need them, your boat is at sea
your anchor is up, you’ve been swept away
and the greatest of teachers won’t hesitate
to leave you there, by yourself, chained to fate

I alone love you
I alone tempt you
I alone love you
fear is not the end of this!

it’s easier not to be great
and measure these things by your eyes
we long to be here by his resolve
alone in the church by and by
to cradle the baby in space
and leave you there by yourself chained to fate

oh, now, we took it back too far,
only love can save us now,
all these riddles that you burn
all come runnin’ back to you,
all these rhythms that you hide
only love can save us now,
all these riddles that you burn yeah, yeah, yeah

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNrQOUtXYOo


189 posted on 02/06/2014 12:53:38 PM PST by Zeneta
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To: Zeneta

Out of all the things I don’t understand, those questions would be among them.


190 posted on 02/06/2014 12:54:40 PM PST by Fuzz
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To: Oliviaforever
Mr. Ham did not have to be there, because he has read about it from a book written by The One who was there.

God wrote the Bible? Who knew?

191 posted on 02/06/2014 12:56:28 PM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: DoodleDawg

The Creation Museum is not failing and will not fail, because the Truth never fails.


192 posted on 02/06/2014 12:59:48 PM PST by Oliviaforever
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To: Oliviaforever
In that debate at the Creation Museum, Mr. Ham pointed to several instances where scientists were wrong and if they were wrong before it is highly probable that they are wrong now.

Did he provide any evidence showing creationism was right?

193 posted on 02/06/2014 12:59:59 PM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: MrB
It’s really funny that in conversations with liberals, you run into the same thing.

Since when did a belief in young Earth creationism become a deciding factor of whether one is a conservative or not?

194 posted on 02/06/2014 1:01:59 PM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: ZX12R
Whether the earth is 6 thousand or 6 billion years old has nothing to do with my views on Liberty.

As such, I'm not overly concerned about what various people speculate as to the actual age of the earth. It's a distraction from what really matters.

195 posted on 02/06/2014 1:02:45 PM PST by sargon (I don't like the sound of these here Boncentration Bamps!)
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To: Oliviaforever

A testable idea. If the museum fails sometime in the future then it is wrong?


196 posted on 02/06/2014 1:03:03 PM PST by conejo99
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To: Oliviaforever
The Creation Museum is not failing and will not fail, because the Truth never fails.

The truth may never fail. But Ham's sideshow needs money and attendance to keep the doors open. He seems to be having problems attracting it.

197 posted on 02/06/2014 1:05:03 PM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: DoodleDawg

Seems you made that connection, not I...

I was just observing that the same blindness as to the mutability of what is “settled” or “known” applies to those who rely on “science” as the root of their epistemology as it does to those who rely on the zeitgeist as the root of their epistemology.


198 posted on 02/06/2014 1:05:45 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Oliviaforever

“where scientists were wrong and if they were wrong before it is highly probable that they are wrong now.”

You mean like the inquisitions whereby science was told to shut up that the Earth is the center of the universe, that there couldn’t possibly be a vacuum, that stars are not other solar systems? You mean religious ignorance like that?


199 posted on 02/06/2014 1:06:20 PM PST by CodeToad (When ignorance rules a person's decision they are resorting to superstition.)
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To: DoodleDawg

Evidence is everywhere. You just need faith to see it. That’s just logic.


200 posted on 02/06/2014 1:06:22 PM PST by Fuzz
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