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What would a U.S.-China war look like?
The Week ^ | Eugene K. Chow

Posted on 01/01/2014 5:28:41 PM PST by Farnsworth

Imagine this: In the early morning, a barrage of more than 1,000 Chinese ballistic and cruise missiles bombard Taiwanese civilian and military targets.

As the U.S. Air Force stationed in Okinawa prepares to rush to the aid of its sworn ally, Chinese cyber attacks wreak havoc on America's air defense and targeting systems. A second volley of ballistic missiles detonates in space, destroying critical military satellites, while a third rains down on the base, damaging jets and leaving runways unusable.

Meanwhile, a U.S. carrier strike group led by the USS George Washington has launched from Japan and is steaming towards the Taiwan Strait. Without the advanced warning and additional data supplied by satellites, the group's missile defense systems are at a disadvantage against the Chinese "carrier killer" missiles that are streaking towards them. Defense systems do their best, but a few missiles still hit their mark, leaving the USS George Washington's flight deck unusable. America's awesome air and sea power has been sidelined.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: bho44; bhoasia; china; chinesemilitary; redchina
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To: SamAdams76

one EMP 200 miles up in the center of the US would take care of those too.


21 posted on 01/01/2014 5:39:39 PM PST by Farnsworth (Now playing in America: "Stupid is the new normal")
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

We aren’t going to fight a land war in China.

It would strictly be Naval and Naval Air, with deep strike missions from strategic platforms.


22 posted on 01/01/2014 5:40:06 PM PST by rbmillerjr (Ted Cruz...2016-24 ...A New Conservative Era)
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To: SandRat

yangs and cons.....that was classic Trek


23 posted on 01/01/2014 5:40:31 PM PST by Farnsworth (Now playing in America: "Stupid is the new normal")
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To: Farnsworth

Taiwan has TWO sub’s and its army is at 30% strength.

Do they take their own security seriously..?

Why, then, should we...?


24 posted on 01/01/2014 5:40:59 PM PST by gaijin
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To: Farnsworth
China-Russia navy drills raise new tensions - April 22, 2012 [Lenin's birthday] - News of the exercises came as Japan splashed billions of dollars through the countries of the Mekong delta - Thailand, Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos and Burma - to offset China's growing influence.

Included in Japan's beneficence was a separate cancellation of Burma's entire $3.5 billion debt to Tokyo.

Beijing and Tokyo have a long-running dispute over a chain of islands, called Diaoyu by China and Senkaku by Japan, which sit in rich fishing grounds that may harbour lucrative energy resources.

Further south are groups of mineral-rich islands contested between China, The Philippines and Vietnam.

Japan's defence ministry said in a recent report that China was becoming increasingly active in waters near Japanese territory while Russia was holding more frequent military exercises in its far east region.

It another flare-up that erupted earlier this month, China and The Philippines dispatched vessels as they lay claim to a group of islands in the South China Sea. The islands are said to be rich in oil and natural gas and straddles strategic shipping lanes vital to global trade. Last Friday, India successfully tested a nuclear-capable missile in a move aimed at China.

The locally built Agni-V missile can now travel 5000km - or comfortably as far as most of China, including Beijing and Shanghai, which many in India view as a decisive step in narrowing the nation's military gap with its neighbour.

"India has finally reached deterrence parity with China," said Bharat Karnad, a security expert at the Centre for Policy Research, a New Delhi-based think tank.

In return, The Global Times, a tabloid published by China's Communist Party mouthpiece, the People's Daily, warned India not to be "arrogant" "India should be clear that China's nuclear power is stronger and more reliable. For the foreseeable future, India would stand no chance in an overall arms race with China."

25 posted on 01/01/2014 5:41:03 PM PST by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: Farnsworth
I'm glad the author had the sense to observe that US military planners and intel assets are well aware of the developments and hard at work on counter-moves so this scenario doesn't happen.
26 posted on 01/01/2014 5:41:08 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: gorush

“China stops buying our debt. War over.”

They buy a small percentage of our debt.

They need us more than we need them. We can destroy their economy by refusing their goods. We are a huge percentage of their exports.


27 posted on 01/01/2014 5:42:47 PM PST by rbmillerjr (Ted Cruz...2016-24 ...A New Conservative Era)
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To: gorush
China stops buying our debt. War over.

Poor Bush had to beg the Chinese to do that. The Baraqqi regime just has Ben & Janet warehouse it. Much less stressful. And the amazing part is the markets believe them (so far, LOL).

28 posted on 01/01/2014 5:45:14 PM PST by nascarnation (I'm hiring Jack Palladino to investigate Baraq's golf scores.)
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To: Farnsworth

And what about an EMP above China? That technology goes both ways, and our military has significant “hardening” against EMP, and don’t believe for a moment that China isn’t aware of that fact.

China would be a fool to strike out of nowhere, although having a coward CIC like we do now could certainly encourage them, but such a move would start a scenario that has no predicable outcome, IMO.


29 posted on 01/01/2014 5:45:22 PM PST by Pox (Good Night. I expect more respect tomorrow.)
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To: Farnsworth
What would a U.S.-China war look like?

China will sink six aircraft carriers, we will surrender and apologize.

30 posted on 01/01/2014 5:46:06 PM PST by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: Farnsworth

“Part of what keeps the probability of war so small is that the U.S. and Taiwan have taken steps to make sure it would be painful for China,” David Shlapak, a senior international policy analyst at the Rand Corporation, told Popular Mechanics in 2010.

In reality, many of the weapons systems under development will never see actual combat, but the hypothetical arms race is critical as researchers on both sides seek to tip the scales in their favor and change the calculus for military strategists.

According to Admiral Patrick Walsh, the commander of the U.S. Navy’s Pacific Fleet until last year, there is no reason to fear China’s military buildup as long as U.S. capabilities keep pace.

“When we look at these sorts of developments, such as the ASBM [anti-ship ballistic missile], they are technological developments that we respect, but do not necessarily fear,” Admiral Walsh told Popular Mechanics. “The key element in any sort of deterrent strategy is to make it clear to those who would use a given piece of technology that we have the means to counter it, and to maintain a technological edge.”


31 posted on 01/01/2014 5:46:20 PM PST by sefarkas (Why vote Democrat Lite?)
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To: Farnsworth

The US could destroy China easily. To think otherwise is nonsense.


32 posted on 01/01/2014 5:48:57 PM PST by EEGator
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To: gorush
China stops buying our debt. War over.

We discount our debt. War over.

33 posted on 01/01/2014 5:49:55 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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To: Farnsworth

I remember when I was a kid in the late 50s or maybe early 60s the Red Chinese began shelling Nationalist Islands of Quemoy and Matsu.

The one thing I remember vividly is the Nationalist totally ate the reds lunch in air to air combat. We had supplied them with sidewinders and they proved extremely effective.


34 posted on 01/01/2014 5:52:51 PM PST by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: Farnsworth
Yangs and Coms Star Trek
35 posted on 01/01/2014 5:53:16 PM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: Farnsworth

War requires that two sides are willing to fight. Would Obama fight over Taiwan or would he send harsh letters and make a couple of speeches?


36 posted on 01/01/2014 5:53:24 PM PST by Truth29
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To: ETL
From the Sino-Russian Joint Statement of April 23, 1997:
"The two sides [China and Russia] shall, in the spirit of partnership, strive to promote the multipolarization of the world and the establishment of a new international order."

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/HI29Ag01.html
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"Joint war games are a logical outcome of the Sino-Russian Friendship and Cooperation Treaty signed in 2001, and reflect the shared worldview and growing economic ties between the two Eastern Hemisphere giants."

http://www.heritage.org/research/commentary/2005/09/war-games-russia-china-grow-alliance

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,170287,00.html

37 posted on 01/01/2014 5:54:14 PM PST by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: Farnsworth

The key to winning is a quick response that’s over the top. Having some of our subs turn Beijing into the worlds largest sheet of glass would do exactly that.


38 posted on 01/01/2014 5:55:34 PM PST by Portcall24
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To: Farnsworth; Jeff Head

pinging our resident expert


39 posted on 01/01/2014 5:59:49 PM PST by Domandred (Fdisk, format, and reinstall the entire .gov system.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

BTTT !


40 posted on 01/01/2014 5:59:49 PM PST by Squantos ( Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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