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In Texas, Search Warrants Can Now Be Based on a "Prediction of a Future Crime"
Dallas Observer ^ | Dec 17, 2013 | Eric Nicholson

Posted on 12/18/2013 1:15:11 PM PST by driftdiver

Police in Parker County had been watching Michael Fred Wehrenberg's home for a month when, late in the summer of 2010, they received a tip from a confidential informant that Wehrenberg and several others were "fixing to" cook meth. Hours later, after midnight, officers walked through the front door, rounded up the people inside, and kept them in handcuffs in the front yard for an hour and a half.

The only potential problem, at least from a constitutional standpoint, was that the cops didn't have a search warrant. They got one later, before they seized the boxes of pseudoephedrine, stripped lithium batteries, and other meth-making materials, while the alleged meth cooks waited around in handcuffs, but by then they'd already waltzed through the home uninvited. They neglected to mention this on their warrant application, identifying a confidential informant as their only source of information.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government
KEYWORDS: constitution; donutwatch; policestate; texas; tyranny; wod; wosd
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation; Responsibility2nd

I think that’s what he wants.


41 posted on 12/18/2013 2:06:13 PM PST by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: Oliviaforever

Are you aware you are discussing a drug war ‘crime’?

Save the tax payer’s money, FR’s band width, and all of our rights and simply allow the citizen to buy/use whatever drugs they so decide.

All drug sales being legal, the price of said drugs drops to near proiduction/distribution price and that destroys the cartel’s profits.

Drug abusers die off inside of a year or two and survivors live happily ever after - exceptin’ Drug Warriors, lawyers, Court employees, prison personnel.

However, try as I did, I couldn’t shed even one teat for any of the above Trough Feeders.

My bad.

or not.


42 posted on 12/18/2013 2:15:04 PM PST by GladesGuru (Islam Delenda Est - Because of what Islam is and because of what Muslims do.)
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To: Little Ray

In which case you’d be arresting them for prior crimes. Not the bank they are parked at.


43 posted on 12/18/2013 2:16:16 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: discostu

You probably also have burglary tools, like a hammer, screwdriver, pry bar or crowbar, glass cutter, etc.
Materials to make a pipe bomb?
How about the ability to make poison gas? (bleach and Comet cleanser)
Any or all of us could be arrested for any number of drummed up charges.


44 posted on 12/18/2013 2:16:48 PM PST by Ed Condon (Give 'em a heading, an altitude, and a reason.)
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To: Oliviaforever
Furthermore, Texans will feel safer if they can report on their fellow citizens who they think may be pondering committing a crime.

I think you're pondering committing a crime.

45 posted on 12/18/2013 2:17:00 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Who gets to decide when the laws shall apply, and when they shall not? What if your neighbor, mad about some tree branch hanging over the fence line or something, confidentially informed on you, and you were arrested, home searched, etc., without a valid warrant. Would it be okay?


46 posted on 12/18/2013 2:22:03 PM PST by NEMDF
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To: Responsibility2nd

The right of methamphetamine cooks to remain free of warrantless searches seems to be imperiled in Texas....


47 posted on 12/18/2013 2:24:41 PM PST by absalom01 (You should do your duty in all things. You cannot do more, and you should never wish to do less.)
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To: Ed Condon

While we have the “tools” necessary for many different drummed up charges it’s the drug war that’s made its fake charges official. The DEA has defined a drug lab as heat source, beaker, filter and starter; so if you have that coffee maker and sudafed you HAVE a drug lab, no drummed up charges necessary, the drum has already beaten all it needs to.


48 posted on 12/18/2013 2:24:46 PM PST by discostu (I don't meme well.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

I don’t see a problem here.

Were these drug dealers that were caught? And is that a bad thing?

Look. If a good defense attorney can get charges dropped based on technicalities, then all is good. If not, well then justice is served.

When you start saying it is OK to negate the rights of certain parties,drug dealers, meth cookers, pedophiles, etc., you are laying the groundwork for the rights of everyone to be negated. The only way the Constitution and Bill Of Rights work is for them to be applied equally to everyone, including those we don’t approve of.


49 posted on 12/18/2013 2:26:21 PM PST by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: I want the USA back
This is why I won’t go to fascist texas.

There's more to Texas than just Austin. (-;

50 posted on 12/18/2013 2:30:39 PM PST by MeganC (Support Matt Bevin to oust Mitch McConnell! https://mattbevin.com/)
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To: Oliviaforever
Furthermore, Texans will feel safer if they can report on their fellow citizens who they think may be pondering committing a crime.

Oh gezzz...A state full of homeowners association types..

It's a made house...

51 posted on 12/18/2013 2:30:46 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

A mad house too!


52 posted on 12/18/2013 2:31:11 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Oliviaforever

Wow, God save me from holier than thou, dangerous people like you!


53 posted on 12/18/2013 2:38:43 PM PST by Shimmer1 (don 't argue with an idiot; people watching may not be able to tell the difference)
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To: Lmo56

Very good...


54 posted on 12/18/2013 2:39:00 PM PST by Rumplemeyer (The GOP should stand its ground - and fix Bayonets)
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To: Lmo56

55 posted on 12/18/2013 2:40:39 PM PST by JediJones (The #1 Must-see Filibuster of the Year: TEXAS TED AND THE CONSERVATIVE CRUZ-ADE)
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To: Mastador1
The only way the Constitution and Bill Of Rights work is for them to be applied equally to everyone, including those we don’t approve of.

It seems that very few people understand or care about that anymore.

56 posted on 12/18/2013 2:41:30 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Hit on a cop’s wife, not knowing she’s married. The cop comes to your house at night, walks in, handcuffs you and everyone else in the house and takes all of you outside while searching your house. He can’t find anything so he plants something. Then he goes and gets a warrant. Do you see anything wrong here?


57 posted on 12/18/2013 2:42:56 PM PST by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: driftdiver
In Soviet Russia America...
58 posted on 12/18/2013 2:46:44 PM PST by Ken H (What happens on the internet, stays on the internet.)
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To: Shimmer1

That post was sarcasm. At least that’s how I read it.


59 posted on 12/18/2013 2:49:13 PM PST by Ken H (What happens on the internet, stays on the internet.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

You just stated that the government can/should do anything to anyone, and if all is kosher otherwise, the victim/perp will get off on a techno slip?

Are you for real?

The Constitution constrains government, not the people.Did you read it wrong?


60 posted on 12/18/2013 2:51:02 PM PST by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret), "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War")
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