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Health director who approved Obama birth certificate dies in plane crash
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| 12-12-13
| Henry Austin and Christopher Nelson
Posted on 12/12/2013 7:24:25 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: justiceseeker93
Of course it’s possible the survivors don’t want to be identified because in the moment of panic when they realized they had a few seconds to exit the aircraft before it sank, it was every man for himself and they left the 65 year old woman behind.
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posted on
12/12/2013 2:11:19 PM PST
by
Fred Nerks
(fair dinkum)
To: Sir Napsalot; Alamo-Girl
www.alamo-girl.com
She’s got it all right there.
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posted on
12/12/2013 2:14:51 PM PST
by
mabarker1
(Please, Somebody Impeach the kenyan!!!!)
To: mabarker1
Right, I am still trying to absorb all this.
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posted on
12/12/2013 2:15:44 PM PST
by
Sir Napsalot
(Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
To: LyinLibs
This is just UNIFORMED SPECULATION. Please don't assign any credibility to this idea arbitrarily.
I apologize if someone proposed this already upthread and I missed it, but is it impossible to imagine a scenario where this could have been a sophisticated plot to save and secret away Fuddy form the hands of those loyal to the POTUS? I don't know whether Zullo has proffered sufficient evidence to entice the cooperation of some segment of the FBI or other agencies capable of covert operations, but it's not COMPLETELY beyond my imagination that Fuddy was switched late for a passenger with specialized aquatic skills, or even that several passengers in the body of the plane were planted specifically to provide "helpful" testimony. I mean if Fuddy was willing to cooperate with Zullo, et al, would not the circumstance demand extreme measures to keep her safe and to to keep her family members from lingering threats? Would not a staged death potentially fit the bill?
Okay, I admit this is just crazy thinking, but then honestly the idea that the Obama admin ordered this is arguable only a little less crazy. I haven't seen evidence that convinces me it was anything but an accidental plane crash, but I'm speculating here for the benefit of those who are better equipped to either dismiss the idea or consider it further. [Sorry, I'm being so careful to disclaim myself because on another occasion when I speculated about Fuddy (particularly some of her financial disclosures) some people seemed to treat my musings as having greater gravity than they deserved.]
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posted on
12/12/2013 2:18:24 PM PST
by
ecinkc
(Okay, Zullo, spill it. America is already mostly destroyed. Why wait around to be Fuddyized?)
To: Mannaggia l'America
“Obamacide...”
No. It’s Karma.
To: Fred Nerks
Meanwhile, this digital copy of the current
airport diagram shows a tower at the facility. Note the effective date ranges in the left and right margins ("12 DEC 2013 to 06 FEB 2014").
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posted on
12/12/2013 2:23:15 PM PST
by
Army Air Corps
(Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
To: Army Air Corps; skip2myloo
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posted on
12/12/2013 2:29:18 PM PST
by
Fred Nerks
(fair dinkum)
To: Fred Nerks
My bad. I provided the chart for Molokai (PHMK) which is less than 8NM from PHLU. So, they were within radio range of the tower at Molokai.
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posted on
12/12/2013 2:34:44 PM PST
by
Army Air Corps
(Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
To: Fred Nerks
MY FAULT for the confusion.
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posted on
12/12/2013 2:36:07 PM PST
by
Army Air Corps
(Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
To: Sir Napsalot
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posted on
12/12/2013 2:43:13 PM PST
by
mabarker1
(Please, Somebody Impeach the kenyan!!!!)
To: Army Air Corps
Not to worry...maybe one of those 40 foot waves engulfed the aircraft and snuffed out the carburettor. You wouldn’t get me into a single engine aircraft over land or water, without a pair of wings attached to my body, lol.
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posted on
12/12/2013 2:44:47 PM PST
by
Fred Nerks
(fair dinkum)
To: afraidfortherepublic
If that gif of Clinton laugh-crying at his funeral isn’t on this thread of almost 200 posts so far, I’ll eat a corner of my ipad.
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posted on
12/12/2013 2:49:04 PM PST
by
Yaelle
To: agere_contra
e rescuers spotted Shelly Kelly moving about the wreckage, several hours after the crash itself. Shelly was placed on a helicopter and evacuated to the hospital, but - strangely - was dead on arrival of a broken neck.
You know how turbulent a helicopter ride can be.
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posted on
12/12/2013 2:51:31 PM PST
by
Yaelle
To: Fred Nerks; butterdezillion; ml/nj; KeyLargo; afraidfortherepublic; All
Of course its possible the survivors dont want to be identified because in the moment of panic when they realized they had a few seconds to exit the aircraft before it sank, it was every man for himself and they left the 65 year old woman behind. That's one explanation for the fact that eight of the nine people on board survived and only Fuddy did not. At this time, there are other possibilities. But all plausible explanations must come up with some factor that differed as it pertained to Fuddy when contrasted with the eight survivors.
BTW, FWIW, Fuddy's Deputy Health Dept. director was among the survivors.
To: afraidfortherepublic
How conveeeeeeeeenient !
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posted on
12/12/2013 3:03:06 PM PST
by
tomkat
To: ecinkc
Building on my previous point, I’m not so sure that of these two options, that one is radically more likely or achievable than the other . . .
1 — Arranging the actual death of one passenger in a plane crash not severe enough to kill any others.
2 — Creating the illusion one passenger died in a plane crash wherein all others survive.
My idea above was that the good guys might have staged a death in order to ensure “witness protection” for Fuddy. BUT, now I also wonder if the Obama admin may have been motivated to keep her alive (hypothetically perhaps so she could “posthumously” quell her already dispersed “insurance” recordings so they don’t otherwise emerge though her designated confidantes) while convincingly removing her from the radar of Zullo and any of other “renegade” authorities who might be able to ultimately loosen her lips.
Again, please don’t take me as arguing for this position. I’m merely posing it as an admittedly out-there theory in case others hadn’t considered it but find it worth pondering.
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posted on
12/12/2013 3:08:24 PM PST
by
ecinkc
(Okay, Zullo, spill it. America is already mostly destroyed. Why wait around to be Fuddyized?)
To: justiceseeker93
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/small-plane-crashes-water-off-molokai-hawaii-21187906
In the water, Fuddy held hands with deputy director Keith Yamamoto as he tried to help her relax, said the Rev. Patrick Killilea, who consoled Yamamoto after the ordeal.
“He recounted how he said he helped Loretta into her life jacket and he held her hand for some time,” the priest said. “They were all floating together and she let go and there was no response from her.”
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posted on
12/12/2013 3:17:18 PM PST
by
Fred Nerks
(fair dinkum)
To: Mears
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posted on
12/12/2013 3:24:12 PM PST
by
Mears
To: Army Air Corps
The deputy director said he was holding her hand in the water and at some point she let go. So she was conscious, and it was also noted that she had her life jacket on. The deputy director was able to get out safely and IIRC one of the reports said he was not hospitalized afterwards either.
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posted on
12/12/2013 3:54:45 PM PST
by
butterdezillion
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