Posted on 09/28/2013 10:26:19 AM PDT by servo1969
Headline at Drudge Report "DELAY OBAMACARE A YEAR OR WE WILL SHUT IT DOWN - BOEHNER MAKES MOVE"
We have to fight with what we have. We don't have a nuclear bomb (repeal) so we stop it going forward (delay) and keep the enemy off the beach (implementation).
But now they are beginning to see that the Tea Party is not going away. We have a solid group in the House and a beachhead with a few in the Senate. The old guard would ignore them, but we will run primary candidates against them and some of them will lose.
We are beginning to win this fight.
I think on this specific point, one of our perceptions (yours or mine) regarding the American public as opposed to the American Electorate (not always the same thing) is seriously out of whack. For all I know, it's mine.
Your point that Conservatives "won" the last shutdown due to the budget finally being balanced, welfare reform, and government reform isn't lost on me. It is however "lost" in the public relations battle. So I guess it depends on which front we're talking about, yes?
The last government shutdown while a PR disaster for Republicans did in fact achieve the things above. Still, the public blamed the Republican party for the shutdown, thanks to the lying SOB's in the media.
Those same lying SOB's aren't just in the media anymore - they've intermarried/intermingled with those in power in the White House and Congress. The hatchet job they did on the Republican Party during the last shutdown will pale in comparison to what they'll do this time.
If there were a chance in HELL that Obama would do what Clinton did in the mid-90's (remember: Clinton was a political animal and he was concerned about his "legacy") then I'd say you're right.
Problem is: Obama's a TRUE BELIEVER ala Saul Alinsky. There's no chance Obama will back down, and he has the liberal lamestream propaganda machine on his side.
IMO, this isn't going to be just a PR disaster for the Republican's, it's going to be a slaughter NO MATTER WHAT they do at this point. That's because of -- the willing cowhores in the liberal lamestream media. They do Obama's bidding willingly.
Goebbels would be proud. He had to FORCE the German Media to become his propaganda arm -- these "journalists" seem to line up on their knees at Obama's crotch to do the job. It's disgusting.
You are no different than a Reid supporter...trusting a politician, any politician is dangerous...
I think the argument they are putting forward is "obama will negotiate with terrorists (syria, Iran), but he won't talk with elected representatives of the people". Eventually the messaging will win over the uninformed voters.
I think a new Caucus and Whip are emerging. The GOPe are going to have the long-knives out, all stops out to cripple Cruz.
They are drowning swimmers grasping at anything they can to pull down with themselves.
Very good points.
The other thing is that people here who are saying “bring it on and let people be miserable” must either be in a protected class or independently wealthy, because it’s going to hurt ALL of us. And I d be happy to delay that as long as possible.
Absolutely. Any rat senator who crosses Obama will be denied DSCC, DNC campaign funds and can count on a primary opponent.
The executive's influence in the senate is an accepted, yet gross violation of separation of powers that our framers sought to avoid.
I have a friend who just got the same letter. She was not happy. What a mess!
You’re DREAMING!! He has NEVER been blamed for one thing...not one thing!!
My point is so what. We achieved our goals and did not suffer at the polls.
We will never be treated fairly by the media, so why worry about it.
Those same lying SOB's aren't just in the media anymore - they've intermarried/intermingled with those in power in the White House and Congress. The hatchet job they did on the Republican Party during the last shutdown will pale in comparison to what they'll do this time.
How so?
They tried that garbage with the sequester and after a couple months people began to realize nobody got hurt.
The pressure is really on the Rats. As all these huge govt bureaucracies get shut down if people go on with their lives without any great distress people will wonder why we need them in the first place. Govt is the Rat base, not the Pubs.
We all know the media will never report anything accurately. We can either become victims of their negativity in our thinking and actions, or we can ignore them and push forward. The Tea Party elected pols know we want them to do the latter. The rest of the Pubs know we are coming after them next if they don't.
Hey, this is the kind of thing that breeds defeat. Don't start shooting conservatives down because they don't walk in "lockstep" with you.
Per Fox News...Reid rejects the one yr. delay and the medical device tax repeal. Oh well. He hopes Boehner blinks and fears a huge govt. shutdown, which we know he does. Let the House begin seperate CR’s to fund different depts. to show who wants to shut the govt. down.
I completely agree!
Delay until the Congress and Senate have to live with Obamacare too! Then it will be repealed!
I hope you are wrong, but remember this is an off-year election coming up. The zombies don’t generally show up, and conservatives are broken glass, at least when they feel they have someone worth showing up for. The 95 shutdown occurred before the 96 general election, which featured a charismatic incumbent against bobdole. There are also several other differences between now and 95. The fight in 95 was over something that had no real impact on people’s day to day lives. This does. Finally, most of the senate battles of note are going to be in solidly red states (Cornyn, McConnell, Graham, etc). Upstart republican candidates should do fine in their election (unlike a few years ago, when these upstart — and poor — candidates had to compete in states like Delaware, Nevada, and Alaska — a state which has a very strong GOPe presence).
Back in 95, I knew the Republicans were in trouble, due to one particular poll which showed that the overwhelming majority of people had no idea what the shutdown was about. This allowed it to be portrayed as a temper tantrum by Republicans. As long as people know that the shutdown is over implementation of ObamaCare, the results will not be nearly as bad as in 95.
Will it be a PR disaster? It won’t be pretty, and the media will be exactly as you say. What I question is whether it will have any substantive effect on 2014. Given that we have already boxed in the establishment senators, this marginal effect will be well worth it.
Last time we didn’t have Fox News, as much talk radio, or nearly as much internet. The liberal media doesn’t dominate things as much as they used to.
At the same time, the left is more focused, extremist and efficient than ever. So they can still do well with the power they have even though it’s not quite as dominant. We’d most likely still “lose” the PR battle in the short-term, but if we achieve something concrete the base wants, then we can win the elections in 2014 through higher turnout. They will have some more faith in the party and expect they can and will achieve more with more seats in congress. So losing the PR battle now doesn’t mean much.
No, it is exactly this type of blind following of politicians for generations that has the USA collapsing around us...it is dangerous that the blind follower has no conviction...just blind loyalty to whichever decision Cruz makes...
I know that any proposal is going to be made by someone elected to one of those offices. I have not been elected to one of them, and you haven’t been either. So, my plan and your plan aren’t necessarily going to be represented.
I’m going to get to choose between doors A, B, C, or D. One of them by Obama/Reid, one of the by conservatives Cruz/Lee, one of them by Boehner/Cantor, and one of them by McCain/Graham.
Which would you feel best with?
And what if the Cruz/Lee plan is the same as the Boehner/Cantor plan....that they agree to fight on common ground?
Remember...YOU do NOT get to put a plan in play.
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