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Falling Stars, Damnable Heresy, and the Spirit of Evolution
Renew America ^ | Sept. 19, 2013 | Linda Kimball

Posted on 09/20/2013 4:29:03 AM PDT by spirited irish

“Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son” (1 John 2:22).

“And the fifth angel sounded the trumpet, and I saw a star fall from heaven upon the earth, and there was given to him the key of the bottomless pit." (Rev. 9:1)

In his Concise Commentary Matthew Henry identifies falling stars as tepid, indecisive, weak or apostate clergy who,

"Having ceased to be a minister of Christ, he who is represented by this star becomes the minister of the devil; and lets loose the powers of hell against the churches of Christ."

John identifies antichrists, in this case clergy who serve the devil rather than Christ, sequentially. First, like Bultmann, Teilhard de Chardin, Robert Funk, Paul Tillich, and John Shelby Spong, they specifically deny the living, personal Holy Trinity in favor of Gnostic pagan, immanent or Eastern pantheist conceptions. Though God the Father Almighty in three Persons upholds the souls of men and maintains life and creation, His substance is not within nature (space-time dimension) as pantheism maintains, but outside of it. Sinful men live within nature and are burdened by time and mortality; God is not.

Second, the specific denial of the Father logically negates Jesus the Christ, the Word who was in the beginning (John 1), was with God, and is God from the creation of all things (1 John 1). In a pre-incarnate theophany, Jesus is the Angel who spoke “mouth to mouth” to Moses (Num. 12:6-9; John 9:20) and at sundry times and in many ways “spoke in times past to the fathers by the prophets, last of all…” (Hebrews 1:1) Jesus the Christ is the incarnate Son of God who is the life and light of men, who by His shed blood on the Cross died for the remission of all sins and bestowed the privilege of adoption on all who put their faith in Him.

Therefore, to deny the Holy Father is to logically deny the deity of Jesus Christ, the incarnate Son of God, hence,

“…every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist . . . and even now already is it in the world” (1 John 4:3).

According to Peter (2 Peter 2:1), falling stars will work among the faithful, teaching damnable heresies that deny the Lord, cause the fall of men into unbelief, and bring destruction upon themselves:

“The natural parents of modern unbelief turn out to have been the guardians of belief.” Many thinking people came at last “to realize that it was religion, not science or social change that gave birth to unbelief. Having made God more and more like man---intellectually, morally, emotionally---the shapers of religion made it feasible to abandon God, to believe simply in man.” (James Turner of the University of Michigan in “American Babylon,” Richard John Neuhaus, p. 95)

Falling Stars and Damnable Heresy

Almost thirty years ago, two well-respected social science scholars, William Sims Bainbridge and Rodney Stark found themselves alarmed by what they saw as a rising tide of irrationalism, superstition and occultism---channeling cults, spirit familiars, necromancers, Wiccans, Satanists, Luciferians, goddess worshippers, 'gay' shamans, Hermetic magicians and other occult madness at every level of society, particularly within the most influential--- Hollywood, academia and the highest corridors of political power.

Like many scientists, they were equally concerned by Christian opposition to naturalistic evolution. As is common in the science community, they assumed the cause of these social pathologies was somehow due to fundamentalism, their term for authentic Christian theism as opposed to liberalized Christianity. Yet to their credit, the research they undertook to discover the cause was conducted both scientifically and with great integrity. What they found was so startling it caused them to re-evaluate their attitude toward authentic Christian theism. Their findings led them to say:

"It would be a mistake to conclude that fundamentalists oppose all science (when in reality they but oppose) a single theory (that) directly contradicts the bible. But it would be an equally great mistake to conclude that religious liberals and the irreligious possess superior minds of great rationality, to see them as modern personalities who have no need of the supernatural or any propensity to believe unscientific superstitions. On the contrary...they are much more likely to accept the new superstitions. It is the fundamentalists who appear most virtuous according to scientific standards when we examine the cults and pseudo-sciences proliferating in our society today." ("Superstitions, Old and New," The Skeptical Inquirer, Vol. IV, No. 4; summer, 1980)

In more detail they observed that authentic ‘born again’ Christians are far less likely to accept cults and pseudoscientific beliefs while the irreligious and liberalized Christians (i.e., progressive Catholics, Protestant emergent, NAR, word faith, prosperity gospel) are open to unscientific notions. In fact, these two groups are most disposed toward occultism.

As Bainbridge and Stark admitted, evolution directly contradicts the Bible, beginning with the Genesis account of creation ex nihilo. This means that evolution is the antithesis of the Genesis account. For this reason, discerning Christians refuse to submit to the evolutionary thinking that has swept Western and American society. Nor do they accept the evolutionary theism brought into the whole body of the Church by weak, tepid, indecisive, or apostate clergy.

Over eighty years ago, Rev. C. Leopold Clarke wrote that priests who embrace evolution (evolutionary theists) are apostates from the ‘Truth as it is in Jesus.’ (1 John2:2) Rev. Clarke, a lecturer at a London Bible college, discerned that evolution is the antithesis to the Revelation of God in the Deity of Jesus Christ, thus it is the greatest and most active agent of moral and spiritual disintegration:

“It is a battering-ram of unbelief---a sapping and mining operation that intends to blow Religion sky-high. The one thing which the human mind demands in its conception of God, is that, being Almighty, He works sovereignly and miraculously---and this is the thing with which Evolution dispenses….Already a tremendous effect, on a wide scale has been produced by the impact of this teaching---an effect which can only be likened to the…collapse of foundations…” (Evolution and the Break-Up of Christendom, Philip Bell, creation.com, Nov. 27, 2012)

The faith of the Christian Church and of the average Christian has had, and still has, its foundation as much in the literal and historic meaning of Genesis, the book of beginnings revealed ‘mouth to mouth’ by the Angel to Moses, as in that of the person and deity of Jesus Christ. But how horrible a travesty of the sacred office of the Christian Ministry to see church leaders more eager to be abreast of the times, than earnestly contending for the Faith once delivered unto the saints (Jude 1:3). It is high time, said Rev. Clarke, that the Church,

“…. separated herself from the humiliating entanglement attending her desire to be thought up to date…What, after all, have custodians of Divine Revelation to do making terms with speculative Biology, which has….no message of comfort or help to the soul?” (ibid)

The primary tactic employed by priests eager to accommodate themselves and the Church to modern science and evolutionary thinking is predictable. It is the argument that evolution is entirely compatible with the Bible when we see Genesis, especially the first three chapters, in a non-literal, non-historical context. This is the argument embraced and advanced by mega-church pastor Timothy J. Keller.

With a position paper Keller published with the theistic evolutionary organization Bio Logos he joined the ranks of falling stars (Catholic and Protestant priests) stretching back to the Renaissance. Their slippery-slide into apostasy began when they gave into the temptation to embrace a non-literal, non-historical view of Genesis. (A response to Timothy Keller’s ‘Creation, Evolution and Christian Laypeople,” Lita Cosner, Sept. 9, 2010, creation.com)

This is not a heresy unique to modern times. The early Church Fathers dealt with this damnable heresy as well, counting it among the heretical tendencies of the Origenists. Fourth-century Fathers such as John Chrysostom, Basil the Great and Ephraim the Syrian, all of whom wrote commentaries on Genesis, specifically warned against treating Genesis as an unhistorical myth or allegory. John Chrysostom strongly warned against paying heed to these heretics,

“…let us stop up our hearing against them, and let us believe the Divine Scripture, and following what is written in it, let us strive to preserve in our souls sound dogmas.” (Genesis, Creation, and Early Man, Fr. Seraphim Rose, p. 31)

As St. Cyril of Alexandria wrote, higher theological, spiritual meaning is founded upon humble, simple faith in the literal and historic meaning of Genesis and one cannot apprehend rightly the Scriptures without believing in the historical reality of the events and people they describe. (ibid, Seraphim Rose, p. 40)

In the integral worldview teachings of the Fathers, neither the literal nor historical meaning of the Revelations of the pre-incarnate Jesus, the Angel who spoke to Moses, can be regarded as expendable. There are at least four critically important reasons why. First, to reduce the Revelation of God to allegory and myth is to contradict and usurp the authority of God, ultimately deny the deity of Jesus Christ; twist, distort, add to and subtract from the entire Bible and finally, to imperil the salvation of believers.

Scenarios commonly proposed by modern Origenists posit a cleverly disguised pantheist/immanent nature deity subject to the space-time dimension and forces of evolution. But as noted previously, it is sinful man who carries the burden of time, not God. This is a crucial point, for when evolutionary theists add millions and billions of zeros (time) to God they have transferred their own limitations onto Him. They have ‘limited’ God and made Him over in their own image. This is not only idolatrous but satanic.

Additionally, evolution inverts creation. In place of God’s good creation from which men fell there is an evolutionary escalator starting at the bottom with matter, then progressing upward toward life, then up and through the life and death of millions of evolved creatures that preceded humans by millions of years until at long last an apish humanoid emerges into which a deity that is always in a state of becoming (evolving) places a soul.

Evolution amputates the entire historical precedent from the Gospel and makes Jesus Christ unnecessary as the atheist Frank Zindler enthusiastically points out:

“The most devastating thing that biology did to Christianity was the discovery of biological evolution. Now that we know that Adam and Eve never were real people the central myth of Christianity is destroyed. If there never was an Adam and Eve, there never was an original sin. If there never was an original sin there is no need of salvation. If there is no need of salvation there is no need of a saviour. And I submit that puts Jesus…into the ranks of the unemployed. I think evolution absolutely is the death knell of Christianity.” (“Atheism vs. Christianity,” 1996, Lita Cosner, creation.com, June 13, 2013)

None of this was lost on Darwin’s bulldog, Thomas Henry Huxley (1825-1985). Huxley was thoroughly familiar with the Bible, thus he understood that if Genesis is not the authoritative Word of God, is not historical and literal despite its’ symbolic and poetic elements, then the entirety of Scripture becomes a collection of fairytales resulting in tragic downward spiraling consequences as the Catholic Kolbe Center for the Study of Creation makes clear in part:

“By denying the historical truth of the first chapters of Genesis, theistic evolutionism has fostered a preoccupation with natural causes almost to the exclusion of supernatural ones. By denying the several supernatural creative acts of God in Genesis, and by downplaying the importance of the supernatural activity of Satan, theistic evolutionists slip into a naturalistic mentality which seeks to explain everything in terms of natural causes. Once this mentality takes hold, it is easy for men to regard the concept of spiritual warfare as a holdover from the days of primitive superstition. Diabolical activity is reduced to material or psychological causes. The devil and his demons come to be seen as irrelevant. Soon ‘hell’ joins the devil and his demons in the category of antiquated concepts. And the theistic evolutionist easily makes the fatal mistake of thinking that he has nothing more to fear from the devil and his angels. According to Fr. Gabriele Amorth, the chief exorcist of Rome, there is a tremendous increase in diabolical activity and influence in the formerly Christian world. And yet most of the bishops of Europe no longer believe in the existence of evil spirits….To the Fathers of the Church who believed in the truth of Genesis, this would be incredible. But in view of the almost universal acceptance of theistic evolution, it is hardly surprising.” (The Difference it makes: The Importance of the Traditional Doctrine of Creation, Hugh Owen, kolbecenter.org)

Huxley had ‘zero’ respect for modern Origenists and received enormous pleasure from heaping piles of hot coals and burning contempt upon them, thereby exposing their shallow-reasoning, hypocrisy, timidity, fear of non-acceptance, and unfaithfulness. With sarcasm dripping from his words he quipped,

“I am fairly at a loss to comprehend how any one, for a moment, can doubt that Christian theology must stand or fall with the historical trustworthiness of the Jewish Scriptures. The very conception of the Messiah, or Christ, is inextricably interwoven with Jewish history; the identification of Jesus of Nazareth with that Messiah rests upon the interpretation of passages of the Hebrew Scriptures which have no evidential value unless they possess the historical character assigned to them. If the covenant with Abraham was not made; if circumcision and sacrifices were not ordained by Jahveh; if the “ten words” were not written by God’s hand on the stone tables; if Abraham is more or less a mythical hero, such as Theseus; the story of the Deluge a fiction; that of the Fall a legend; and that of the creation the dream of a seer; if all these definite and detailed narratives of apparently real events have no more value as history than have the stories of the regal period of Rome—what is to be said about the Messianic doctrine, which is so much less clearly enunciated? And what about the authority of the writers of the books of the New Testament, who, on this theory, have not merely accepted flimsy fictions for solid truths, but have built the very foundations of Christian dogma upon legendary quicksands?” (Darwin’s Bulldog---Thomas Huxley, Russell Grigg, creation.com, Oct. 14, 2008)

Pouring more contempt on them he asked,

“When Jesus spoke, as of a matter of fact, that "the Flood came and destroyed them all," did he believe that the Deluge really took place, or not? It seems to me that, as the narrative mentions Noah’s wife, and his sons’ wives, there is good scriptural warranty for the statement that the antediluvians married and were given in marriage; and I should have thought that their eating and drinking might be assumed by the firmest believer in the literal truth of the story. Moreover, I venture to ask what sort of value, as an illustration of God’s methods of dealing with sin, has an account of an event that never happened? If no Flood swept the careless people away, how is the warning of more worth than the cry of “Wolf” when there is no wolf? If Jonah’s three days’ residence in the whale is not an “admitted reality,” how could it “warrant belief” in the “coming resurrection?” … Suppose that a Conservative orator warns his hearers to beware of great political and social changes, lest they end, as in France, in the domination of a Robespierre; what becomes, not only of his argument, but of his veracity, if he, personally, does not believe that Robespierre existed and did the deeds attributed to him?” (ibid)

Concerning Matthew 19:5:

“If divine authority is not here claimed for the twenty-fourth verse of the second chapter of Genesis, what is the value of language? And again, I ask, if one may play fast and loose with the story of the Fall as a “type” or “allegory,” what becomes of the foundation of Pauline theology?” (ibid)

And concerning Cor. 15:21-22:

“If Adam may be held to be no more real a personage than Prometheus, and if the story of the Fall is merely an instructive “type,” comparable to the profound Promethean mythus, what value has Paul’s dialectic?” (ibid)

After much thought, C.S. Lewis concluded that evolution is the central, most radical lie at the center of a vast network of lies within which modern Westerners are entangled while Rev. Clarke identifies the central lie as the Gospel of another Spirit. The fiendish aim of this Spirit is to help men lose God, not find Him, and by contradicting the Divine Redeemer, compromising Priests are serving this Spirit and its’ diabolical purposes. To contradict the Divine Redeemer is the very essence of unfaithfulness, and that it should be done while reverence is professed,

“…. is an illustration of the intellectual and moral topsy-turvydom of Modernism…’He whom God hath sent speaketh the Words of God,’ claimed Christ of Himself (John 3:34), and no assumption of error can hold water in the face of that declaration, without blasphemy.” Evolutionary theists are serving the devil, therefore “no considerations of Christian charity, of tolerance, of policy, can exonerate Christian leaders or Churches who fail to condemn and to sever themselves from compromising, cowardly, shilly-shallying priests”---the falling stars who “challenge the Divine Authority of Jesus Christ.” (ibid)

The rebuttals, warnings and counsels of the Fathers against listening to Origenists (and their modern evolutionary counterparts) indicates that the spirit of antichrist operating through modern rationalistic criticism of the Revelation of God is not a heresy unique to our times but was inveighed against by early Church Fathers.

From the scholarly writings of the Eastern Orthodox priest, Fr. Seraphim Rose, to the incisive analysis, rebuttals and warnings of the Catholic Kolbe Center, creation.com, Creation Research Institute, Rev. Clarke, and many other stalwart defenders of the faith once delivered, all are a clear, compelling call to the whole body of the Church to hold fast to the traditional doctrine of creation as it was handed down from the Apostles, for as God spoke and Jesus is the Living Word incarnate, it is incumbent upon the faithful to submit their wills to the Divine Will and Authority of God rather than to the damnable heresy proffered by falling stars eager to embrace naturalistic science and the devil's antithesis--- evolution. But if it seem evil to you to serve the Lord,

“…you have your choice: choose this day that which pleases you, whom you would rather serve….but as for me and my house we will serve the Lord.” Joshua 24:15


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To: betty boop
Have you considered, dear tacticalogic, that you may be the only person around here who sees it that way?

Should we take an opinion poll?

1,441 posted on 12/05/2013 6:38:43 PM PST by tacticalogic
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To: tacticalogic

Is this, however, actually the case.

One can juggle hypotheticals forever that don’t have squat to do with the situation at hand.


1,442 posted on 12/05/2013 7:34:58 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: tacticalogic

You’ve begged the question, and this is pretty much a modern conceit in the Christian era.


1,443 posted on 12/05/2013 7:37:07 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: betty boop

Well Betty, I’m pointing out that “religion” doesn’t stand alone. It’s always “about” something.

Ole tac just responded to that with a quibble, as if to insinuate that there can’t be anything objective for it to be about.


1,444 posted on 12/05/2013 7:39:15 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
One can juggle hypotheticals forever that don’t have squat to do with the situation at hand.

How about starting with an agreement about what the "situation at hand" is?

What do you think it is?

1,445 posted on 12/05/2013 7:42:17 PM PST by tacticalogic
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To: tacticalogic

Part of the problem is that we have multiple definitions of “religion” going. And that’s a shame. It ends up being a grand sleight of hand.

Is there a God, even if we can’t quite agree on everything that this God is like or purposed upon? And can we agree that we ought to at least try to find out more about that God?

Nobody complains when we can’t all come up with identical explanations of the universe, that this means there isn’t a universe or that we shouldn’t try to find out more about the universe.


1,446 posted on 12/05/2013 7:44:07 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: tacticalogic

Is there a God, even if we can’t quite agree on everything that this God is like or purposed upon? And can we agree that we ought to at least try to find out more about that God?

Nobody complains when we can’t all come up with identical explanations of the universe, that this means there isn’t a universe or that we shouldn’t try to find out more about the universe.


1,447 posted on 12/05/2013 7:44:45 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Is there a God, even if we can’t quite agree on everything that this God is like or purposed upon? And can we agree that we ought to at least try to find out more about that God?

There hasn't been any assertion on this thread by anyone that there is not, and as far as I know everyone here has expressed a belief in God at one time or another. The only expressions of atheism have been attempts to implicitly impute it onto other.

Nobody complains when we can’t all come up with identical explanations of the universe, that this means there isn’t a universe or that we shouldn’t try to find out more about the universe.

Read the article. Complaining that we all don't come up with identical explanations of the universe (heresy) is how it started, and appears to be the whole point of the thread.

1,448 posted on 12/05/2013 7:57:25 PM PST by tacticalogic
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To: tacticalogic

We have a problem when we want to say there is a God and yet that God just sits in a corner only having to do with THIS part of the universe and not THAT.

I would agree that slinging charged and loaded words around isn’t helpful here. Equating acceptance or rejection of a point of theology to acceptance or rejection of God as a whole (in this mortal coil) is wrong. One of the difficult lessons of salvation is that we need it (yup, we’ve all gone wrong) and it ain’t finished till we’re outta here.

A God that DID create is the most fundamental thing. Then discussions of how God created and what bears witness to that creation, can follow.


1,449 posted on 12/05/2013 8:05:08 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
We have a problem when we want to say there is a God and yet that God just sits in a corner only having to do with THIS part of the universe and not THAT.

I don't think there's any disagreement about that, just some disagreement over opinions about how he might have done what.

I would agree that slinging charged and loaded words around isn’t helpful here. Equating acceptance or rejection of a point of theology to acceptance or rejection of God as a whole (in this mortal coil) is wrong. One of the difficult lessons of salvation is that we need it (yup, we’ve all gone wrong) and it ain’t finished till we’re outta here.

You can read back through the thread, but that's what I see happening and I don't care for it either.

A God that DID create is the most fundamental thing. Then discussions of how God created and what bears witness to that creation, can follow.

This looks more like a hunting party than a discussion group.

1,450 posted on 12/05/2013 8:15:32 PM PST by tacticalogic
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To: betty boop

Such people are so “uninformed” about the world around them, in which they are “embedded,” and from which they cannot “escape” — these are the people who need to be “guided” — and these days, steered into a box canyon, like cattle, who, once in the canyon, are expected never to be able to escape from it ever again.


You’ve outlined the Plot of the next animated version of The Wild.. or Madasgascar.. human version..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdcTmpvDO0I


1,451 posted on 12/05/2013 8:21:57 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: tacticalogic

Well, I think some Irishman may need to take a Jesus chill pill.

Now, I am unashamed to say I go with an orthodox view of scripture. Scripture was put there for a reason and to stop wrestling with it because it seems easy, is to lose some potential benefit. It bothers me when people too casually say they take God seriously but don’t take the bible seriously. Still, just because one fails to seek maximum benefit in this life, doesn’t equate to being something fundamentally evil.

I think we are more edified when we look for the upside of God then when we look for a damn to hurl at somebody. And there is plenty of upside to be seen, once we simmer down enough to take a good look. It doesn’t mean God ceases to hate the wrongs, but it means that God can work around the wrongs and eventually bring us right.


1,452 posted on 12/05/2013 8:29:30 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: betty boop
This is absolutely fascinating, dearest sister in Christ, thank you so much for sharing all of your insights!

Here, all these many years ago they were battling the same subtle corruption of sophistry.

The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun. - Ecc 1:9

And I deeply appreciate those insights into Socrates - in particular the fact that honor was more important to him to mortal life and that he saw physical death as a separation.


1,453 posted on 12/05/2013 9:30:25 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: tacticalogic; betty boop

Does attacking people because they don’t have exactly the same religious beliefs you do make your feel righteous?

Spirited: The will of the proud man is the most nihilist of all, meaning that as the proud man-—his likes, dislikes, resentments, paranoia, fears, etc.-—is the measure of all things (i.e., truth, definition, meaning, science, religion, God, etc.)then no truth, meaning, definition, etc. can exist but his own, from moment to moment as pride, caprice, resentment, etc. requires. This is why your ‘reasoning’ hops, skips, and jumps this way and that sans logical flow-through. Because feelings are supreme, you quibble, contend, and whine.


1,454 posted on 12/06/2013 3:04:18 AM PST by spirited irish
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To: spirited irish
Spirited: The will of the proud man is the most nihilist of all, meaning that as the proud man-—his likes, dislikes, resentments, paranoia, fears, etc.-—is the measure of all things (i.e., truth, definition, meaning, science, religion, God, etc.)then no truth, meaning, definition, etc. can exist but his own, from moment to moment as pride, caprice, resentment, etc. requires. This is why your ‘reasoning’ hops, skips, and jumps this way and that sans logical flow-through. Because feelings are supreme, you quibble, contend, and whine.

Would self-righteous damnation of everyone that doesn't agree with me make me a better person?

1,455 posted on 12/06/2013 3:29:36 AM PST by tacticalogic
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To: tacticalogic

“Would self-righteous damnation of everyone that doesn’t agree with me make me a better person?”

Spirited: It is only within your mind that you are persecuted and damned.


1,456 posted on 12/06/2013 7:10:44 AM PST by spirited irish
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To: spirited irish
It is only within your mind that you are persecuted and damned.

Did you post this here instead of the Religion forum so you can do that "mind reading" thing?

1,457 posted on 12/06/2013 7:14:47 AM PST by tacticalogic
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To: betty boop; Alamo-Girl; YHAOS; tacticalogic; HiTech RedNeck

betty: It’s nice to have definitions. But it seems to me that, until and unless you can plug the definition into an historical context, you never really do understand the meaning of the word.

Spirited:

“What’s in a name? That which we call a rose, By any other name would smell as sweet;” -Juliet Act II Scene II

In other words, a rose is not defined by the word rose but by its essence. The essence of an idea, being or substance is that which constitutes its’ particular nature and which distinguishes it from all others. For example, the essence or nature of selfishness remains the same regardless of how it has been perfumed and repackaged (i.e., self-esteem) just the same as the essence of the idea Universal Evolution (i.e., Darwinism, Teilhard’s conception) is progress of soul over vast periods of time within thousands of different kinds of life and non-life forms, in other words, reincarnation.

Just as ideas are defined by their particular essence so are people. A person is not defined by the word human, or by his name or occupation but by his essence-—his soul/spirit. The term ‘person’ is unique to Christian theism. It originated in Christian theologies developmental struggle to comprehend the nature and experience of the transcendent, personal Triune God:

“The derivative concept of human personhood is a gift of the Christian faith to culture…” (Stephen P. Stratton,
Chapter 14, p. 247, The Self, Paul Vitz & Susan M. Felch, Editors)

A person is a soul/spirit and personality is the total individuality of the spirit. Without spirit there is no person.

While soul is fully embedded within physical matter (our bodies) spirit—that part of us that thinks, reasons,
wills, remembers and interfaces with the world by way of the brain-—is not. Spirit actually expands beyond the confines of physical matter into what Francis Schaeffer calls the thought-form (idea) realm. Every thought and decision we make occurs within the thought-form realm.

According to Christian tradition, reality consists of two interfacing halves, hence this earth (the seen/material dimension) is really a theater and men live out their lives on its stage being observed by other men (the seen) and by the living, personal God and Angels (the unseen).

Even though spirit extends out into the unseen or thought-form realm, men cannot see God and very rarely do they see Angels but they can see and hear us. God tests our hearts, knows our secrets, motives, and thoughts (Psa. 17:3; 44:21; 139: 1-4) and both righteous Angels and malevolent fallen Angels are all around us, watching, listening, helping if
righteous, if not then leading men astray, corrupting minds, and speaking persuasive ideas into the minds of men.

This is why ideas (form) have consequences. They occur in the thought-form realm. Some are beneficial. Others are not.

Personhood is a gift from Christian theism as a result of the living, personal Word Who spoke everything into existence ex nihilo-—Jesus Christ God Incarnate.

From the ancient Sumerians to the Egyptians, Greeks, and Romans in the West to Buddha and the Upanishads in the East has there ever been, nor will there ever be such a concept since all of these belief systems are natural religions and philosophies positing a one-dimensional view of reality bespeaking emergence of life out of pre-existing primordial matter.

There is no escaping the essence of ideas. For example, the same lie Satan fed Adam and Eve in the Garden has been packaged and repackaged thousands of times ever since, namely that the living, personal God who revealed Himself to Adam and Eve does not really exist:

“And they called to Noah, saying, Open for us that we may come to thee in the ark-—and wherefore shall we die? And Noah, with a loud voice, answered them….saying, Have you not all rebelled against the Lord, and said that he does not exist?” Jasher 6:18-19

Antediluvians embraced the lie-—that God had emptied His substance into creation and no longer existed except as an impersonal intelligence similar to Brahman out of which animated matter emanates, emerges, and/or evolves.

In ancient Greece animated matter or particles was called Zoe. In India, prakriti matter. Karl Marx’s dialectical materialism is a more sophisticated form of animism. Star Wars calls it the Force. New Agers speak in terms of Christ-consciousness.

In the “Quantum Society,” physics writers Danah Zohar and Ian Marshall advocate a new mystical science of pantheist animism, psychology and sociology grounded in a
breathtaking range of practical implications in the,

“…fundamental physics that underlies all else that is in
the universe” lending itself to a holistic understanding that “the nature of the mind, the nature of society, and the nature of nature are all one and the same thing…linked by a common physics.” (The Making of the New Spirituality: the Eclipse of the Western Religious Tradition,” James Herrick, p. 170-171)

According to Zohar and Marshall, the physics underlying all else in the universe consist of two sorts of particles, bosons and fermions. Fermions “are particles that make up things” including “protons, neutrons, and electrons, the basic constituents of the atom.” In other words, “all of the matter of the universe is made of fermions.” (ibid)

Thus there are only two kinds of matter in the universe, and fermions are what we call physical matter. The other kind is the active principle: spiritual and mental boson particles. Bosons are the fundamental spiritual/mental forces that “bind the universe together-—the electromagnetic, the gravitational, the strong and weak nuclear…” Since bosons appear to “like clustering together,” consciousness and social qualities are most likely boson phenomena. (ibid)

Both physicists contend that the active or animated spiritual boson is implicated in basic evolutionary processes, thus there is a “whole new ‘metaphysic” of the human in the history of the boson:

“If the tendency of two bosons to bunch together at the most basic level of early physical processes can be traced in unbroken sequence to the principles underlying the physical basis for conscious mind,” then “we have traced the origins of the human mind back to primordial physical reality.” (ibid)

This means that in the social tendencies of ‘thinking’ bosons physicists believe they have discovered the evolutionary origins of the human soul (self) since the boson is the critical link between the soul and the evolutionary emanation or emergence from out of the void of both biological and spiritual life on earth.

Zohar and Marshal conclude that there is no longer any basis in the quantum worldview for any “ontological distinction between the human and the natural.” Their conclusion represents “a radical shift away from the whole earlier Western worldview,” with its’ total view of reality and this is applauded and greatly appreciated by New World Order occult pantheist globalists.

Zohar and Marshal also find that when physicists probe the deep recesses of the universe they are confronted by a void, an indefinite and seemingly infinite field of energy that they call the ‘quantum vacuum,” a background without features that seems empty yet is where all physical objects originate:

“All the waves and particles that we can see and measure, literally, as in the Greek, ex-ist or ‘stand out from’ an underlying sea of potential that physicists have named the vacuum….just as waves undulate on the sea.” This ‘sea’ of proto-physicality is an “all pervasive, underlying field of potential…the vacuum.” (ibid, p. 172)

The ‘quantum vacuum’ is strikingly similar to some Hindu and Buddhist accounts of the origins of physical objects as emanations from the One and/or the Void. Nor do Zohar and Marshall deny the similarity:

“The vacuum spoken of by quantum physicists, like the Buddhist concept of Sunyata, or the Void, to which it is so similar, is replete with potentiality.” (ibid)

The ultimate discovery of the New Physics is scientific proof of the pantheist system of antediluvians as well as the basic correctness of Benedict Spinoza’s and Hinduism’s pantheistic theology as well as -—nature is god and as god is in all things, including man, then man is god too.

In conclusion, ideas have consequences and all gods are not the same.


1,458 posted on 12/06/2013 8:12:58 AM PST by spirited irish
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To: spirited irish

don’t know anything about this jasher chap. i am a crazy evangelical and you know that we crazy evangelicals have a 66 book crazy evangelical bible. it could be a plausible account. i tend to think more that those people outside the ark preferred to drown, out of sheer spite, rather than to give in to that smarty pants noah.

anyhow, the things that the devil manages to sell to humanity as alternative gods, are just selected qualities of the real God that he has bundled up in a lie. trace them back to the real God, give God the glory for them, and the devil’s game has just been blown to bits.


1,459 posted on 12/06/2013 8:24:38 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: spirited irish
That which we call a rose, By any other name would smell as sweet

But selling it as a tulip is still fraud.

1,460 posted on 12/06/2013 8:37:23 AM PST by tacticalogic
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