Posted on 09/03/2013 10:18:04 AM PDT by Lakeshark
Article II, Section 1, of the Constitution provides, in pertinent part:
No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
**snip**
This political season, the eligibilities of Marco Rubio, Bobby Jindal and Ted Cruz are the subject of debate.
As much as we want certainty, the term “natural born Citizen” is not defined in the Constitution, in the writings or history of those who framed the Constitution, or in a demonstrable common and clear understanding in the former British colonies at the time the Constitution was drafted. Nor has the Supreme Court ever ruled on the issue, it probably never will.
The modifier “natural born” is not used anywhere else in the Constitution, and its precise origins are unclear, although it is assumed to be derived in some manner from the British common and statutory law governing “natural born Subjects.” **snip**
want to go on record again objecting to the term “birther.” If the term were confined to conspiracy theorists, that would be one thing. But it has become a tool to shut down even legitimate debate.
The term was used as a pejorative as part of a deliberate Obama campaign strategy to shut down debate on his issues **snip**
5. The Framers never expressed what “natural born Citizen” meant **snip**
6. “natural born Citizen” usage at the time of drafting the Constitution is uncertain **snip**
7. British common and statutory law doesn’t solve the problem **snip**
8. There Is No Requirement That Both Parents Be Citizens
(Excerpt) Read more at legalinsurrection.com ...
Nonetheless, he remains an American citizen-at-birth. Doesn't change his status a whit.
Because of the prevalence of identity theft today, hospitals only issue “ceremonial” birth certificates.
There is federal law [Section 7211 of the Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act (IRTPA)] that establishes the criteria for a “real” birth certificate and it can only be issued by a governmental body because it must have a government seal and an authorizing signature.
Regarding the proceedure used at Kapiolani Hospital during the first week of August in 1961, Eleanor Nordyke said: “I entered the Kapiolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital on early Friday afternoon, August 4, 1961. I was registered and my expected twins were given Hawaii State birth certificate numbers 10637 and 10638. My labor was slow with poor contractions from a distended uterus.
Apparently, Stanley Ann Dunham Obama came in shortly after I arrived, because her baby was registered as number 10641. Her labor was strong, and she delivered Barack Hussein Obama early that evening. The next morning my contractions strengthened. The twins finally emerged at 2:05 and 2:12 p.m. Saturday, August 5th. By the way, I don’t want to do that again!”
How can people who support the Kenyan have the balls to argue anyone elses NBC status?
Chutzpah?
5.56mm
Then he should have an American birth certificate.
Does he??
or is it a Canadian birth certificate???
My choice is Lt. Col. West or any other person with similar qualifications as to birth, service and expressed allegiance to the USA. I could vote for a person with military service and I think there are several such persons. The three you mention are not to my liking and if you are implying I like those and their kind your inference is way off the mark.
Fiction is so much fun ... any lie will fit right in, any twisting of an honest person’s words will be received in stride. Yep, fiction is so much fun. Mrs Nordyke needs to check into the birth cert number for Virginia Sunahara.
I love West, but he would be the longest shot to get the nomination, it simply wouldn't happen.
How can you not like Cruz? He's the best spokesman for conservative principles we have.
Jim, why are threads like this one, which does nothing except cause more bad blood at FR between freepers, being tolerated if we are going to give our full support to Ted if he runs?
And just how would Mrs. Nordyke know her name and that her registration number was 10641???
More Obamabot BS.
“Your Alinksy tactics can’t change natural law “
Go ahead and use that one in court: “Sorry, your honor, you and your laws can just shove it because me and my fellow barracks lawyers only follow something we call natural law!”
You idiots have never thought past your nose on this one. For instance, what if an American mother visiting Canada gives birth and Canada refuses to give citizenship to anchor babies. To you that baby also is not afforded US citizenship so the kid is born without a country.
Second, you no doubt bitch about Mexican anchor babies because we do give citizenship to anyone born here.
Go figure, hypocrites.
“or is it a Canadian birth certificate???”
You are THAT ignorant of foreign US births and yet you take the stand that you do?
If anything, his birth certificate is more US federal than yours by a long shot since it is issued by the US federal government. How’s that for your idiotic “natural law”; his birth certificate is issued by the US government and yours by a county, so your US citizenship is probably two levels (county and State) removed from US citizenship and his is directly issued. Double HA!
Mothers’ signatures are on the Certificates of Live Birth. Perhaps she looked at the top of the documents when she signed them on August 7, 1961.
The registration numbers’ sequences were one of the earliest issues of contention in the Obama/natural Born Citizen debate and Eleanor Nordyke was the first to go get out her twins’ certificates and show them publically.
By that time, Barack Obama’s registration number was publically known.
In addition to Eleanor Nordyke, there is Monica Danielsson, a Swedish woman who was living in Hawaii when she gave birth to her son Stig Waidelich whose birth notice was in the same “Health Bureau Statistics” section of the two Honolulu newspapers on August 13 and 14, 1961 as the notice for Obama.
“Obama was lying there next to my Stig in the bassinet and I remember him because he was the only black child there and I thought he was very cute,” she said to Swedish daily Expressen.
CNN recently sent reporter Gary Tuchman from the show ‘Andersson Cooper 360’ to Hawaii to find evidence that President Obama was born there.
While there, he quickly discovered an announcement in the birth columns of the local paper of a Stig Waidelich who was born in the same hospital the day after Obama.
“They then tried to track me down to compare my son’s birth certificate to the one provided by Obama,” Danielsson said.
According to CNN the whole matter is complicated because the governor of Hawaii is not legally able to release the original certificate.
But now ‘the CNN investigation showed that the ‘certification of live birth’ released by President Obama in 2008 is the same certificate that is issued to every Hawaiian’, according to a statement from CNN.
Through Monica Danielsson, CNN obtained a certificate for her son Stig, to compare to President Obama’s.
According to CNN, the document given to Stig from the Department of Health is the same exact document that President Obama has released.
“Stig, who no longer has his original birth certificate, can use this document for any court proceedings and any legal purposes”, CNN said in a statement.
Monica, who was born in Traneberg in Stockholm, moved to Hawaii 50 years ago.
Her memories of an African-American baby at the maternity ward further corroborate the story.
“I have no absolute proof of course, but I saw Obama and I have always thought it was Obama,” she told Expressen.
When President Obama became a candidate in 2008, Monica noticed his birth date and hospital in an article and remembered that day in the nursery. Since then more memories of Obama growing up has come back to Danielsson.
“The memories come rushing back to me. Obama was very into sport and my son was good at tennis, although Obama was more into basketball,” she said.
http://www.thelocal.se/33472/20110429/
So then you are saying that the United States tells Canada how to register its births???
Are you going to allow a genuinely disloyal to the Constitution person such as hillary or whatever rat they run to win because of your so called principles?
Well, don’t know if I’m quite ready to zot these people yet, but I am giving plenty of advance warning. Once Cruz declares and he becomes the strongest grassroots, constitutional conservative running, there will be a whole lot less tolerance for those working against us. If they really insist on working against our very best hope of defeating both the statist GOP-e and the socialist democrats, then they need to find a new home. FR is not the place for anti-grassroots activism. Freep you Tokyo Rove! No more McCains. No more Romneys. No more GOP-e losers! No more turncoats! No more false conservatives! FUMR! FUCC! RINOs, especially open borders or socially liberal RINOs can KMA!
Run, Ted, run!
So what you are saying with your ‘natural law’ is that a pregnant woman that has a child 8.99 months in the US then visits Canada and ends up having her baby the child loses his US citizenship to Canada?
You have one f***ed up natural law there, buddy.
“So then you are saying that the United States tells Canada how to register its births???”
Where did I say that? Are you really that stupid? Go back and quote where I said that. You obviously haven’t read the first thing about foreign US births at all, have you? Not a single word.
Right here:
If anything, his birth certificate is more US federal than yours by a long shot since it is issued by the US federal government.
You really ought to put the mouse down -- you're embarrassing yourself and all other toads.
I'll never forget arguing with you about your support for RINO Arnold over McClintock.
You were wrong then, and you are wrong now.
"We are conservative activists dedicated to defending our rights, defending our constitution, defending our republic and defending our traditional American way of life."
Do not disregard your own principles.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.