Nah, it was Congress who naturalized Cruz.
Posted on 07/28/2013 6:13:04 PM PDT by drewh
Sen. Ted Cruz hasn’t said whether he has presidential ambitions, but Sunday he won one of the first straw polls for the 2016 Republican presidential nomination.
The Texas Republican captured 45 percent of the 504 votes cast by attendees at the Western Conservative Summit, a day after drawing several standing ovations during his luncheon speech at the fourth annual conference.
“We shall see what sort of crystal ball summiteers have in awarding that decisive nod to Sen. Ted Cruz, who was so magnificent from this platform,” said John Andrews, founder of the Centennial Institute at Colorado Christian University, which hosted the event.
Placing second was Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker, who delivered the keynote address Friday at the three-day summit, with 13 percent of the vote.
Tied for third were Sen. Rand Paul, Kentucky Republican, and former Rep. Allen B. West, Florida Republican, with 9 percent each. Mr. West was the conference’s featured speaker Sunday, while Mr. Paul received the most votes among those on the ballot who didn’t attend the conference.
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Birthers like you, on the other hand, want to give the Courts even more power. Why is that?
Congress IS a legal authority.
“Here is that cognitive dissonance again. On the one hand you push “legal authority” and on the other you trash it. Make up your mind you kook.”
Cruz was naturalized prior to birth back in 1934. Congress naturalized all such future children in 1934, but only *IF* the mother meets age and residency conditions.
Natural born citizens do not have conditions placed on their citizenship, or that of their mother.
Were you born in one of the original 13 States?
If not, you were made a Citizen based on the STATUTE that brought your State into the Union.
You are incorrect. Congress was not granted only the power to naturalize non-citizens. Congress was granted the specific power of determining the “rules of naturalization” (see Article 1 section 8). That includes not only those that require naturalization, but also those who DO NOT require naturalization.
In fact, in the very first congress, they passed the first naturalization act where they specifically state who would be a “natural born citizen”. This law was established by our founding fathers and was signed by none other that George Washington. So your assertion that Congress cannot make “natural citizens” (which of course there is no such thing) is correct but that is a false straw-man argument.
There are only two types of citizens - naturalized and natural born. The RULES OF NATURALIZATION determine who must be naturalized (not a citizen at birth) and who is a naturally born citizen (not requiring naturalization). The power to make those rules is specifically granted in Article 1 section 8 of the Constitution to Congress.
Run Ted, run!
The fact that Congress passed a law in 1934 granting citizenship to the children of all American women who are old enough, and who have lived in the United States for the required number of years.
Had Congress not passed the law, Ted Cruz would not be an American citizen at all, let alone a "natural" citizen.
73d CONGRESS- SESS. II. CH, 344. MAY 24, 1934.[CHAPTER 344.
AN ACT
To amend the Law relative to citizenship and naturalization, and for other purposes.
...
...In cases where one of the parents is an alien,the right of citizenship shall not descend unless the child comes to the UnitedStates and resides therein for at least five years continuously immediately previous to his eighteenth birthday, and unless, within six months after the child's twenty-first birthday, he or she shall take an oath of allegiance to the United States of America as presented by the Bureau of Naturalization.”That legislation sure uses the word "Naturalization" a lot.
Actually, there are a whole lot of conditions place on the citizenship of natural born citizens. One condition is being born on US soil (title 8 section 1401 subsection A) or being born outside of the US to parents who are both citizens (title 8 section 1401 subsection C). Further conditions apply including conditions by which a natural born citizen might forfeit their citizenship.
All governed by LAW
All set in place by Congress
As specifically enumerated in the Constitution
Nah, it was Congress who naturalized Cruz.
Bellei was a "citizen at birth" but he wasn't a "natural born citizen." Natural born citizens don't get stripped of their citizenship for failing to meet the conditions of a naturalization law which granted them their citizenship.
In the United States, the current consensus favors the American rule over the European rule and under the American rule, Ted Cruz is clearly a "natural born citizen" because he was a citizen upon his birth to a mother who was a citizen of the United States.
If his mother had been 14 years old when he was born, he wouldn't be an American citizen at all.
So tell me, how is "Natural born" American citizenship defined by your mother's age? (And how long she and you reside in the United States?)
Do you believe the founders original intent is that they wanted a future American president to be born in another country beholden with an allegiance to a foreign sovereignty?
Not just Vattel. There is basis for it in English law as well. Here are two different English Law Authorities.
Matthew Bacon, A New Abridgement of the Law, Vol 1, 1736
The common law common-placed: By Giles Jacob, 1726
And i'll throw this in for good measure. (Look to the very end.)
City Liberties: Or, The Rights and Privileges of Freemen. Being a Concise Abridgment of All the Laws, Charters, By-laws, and Customs of London. 1732
And then, of course, there's just plain old common sense which informs any man that it is stupid to use the authority of Feudal Land-Bondage to decide American Citizenship.
Do you believe these words are truthful form Rep. John Bingham, the father of the 14th Amendment? Pay attention to the parents allegiance part.
“All from other lands, who by the terms of [congressional] laws and a compliance with their provisions become naturalized, are adopted citizens of the United States; all other persons born within the Republic, of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty, are natural born citizens. Gentleman can find no exception to this statement touching natural-born citizens except what is said in the Constitution relating to Indians.” (Cong. Globe, 37th, 2nd Sess., 1639 (1862))
And this:
“Every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen.” (Cong. Globe, 39th, 1st Sess., 1291 (1866))
Excuse me. I meant ‘from’ and not ‘form’.
“As this Congressional Research Service report sums it up (p. 25; see also pp. 16-21), the “overwhelming evidence of historical intent, general understandings [in 18th-century America], and common law principles underlying American jurisprudence thus indicate[s] that the most reasonable interpretation of ‘natural born’ citizens would include those who are considered U.S. citizens ‘at birth’ or ‘by birth,’ … under existing federal statutory law incorporating long-standing concepts of jus sanguinis, the law of descent.” In other words, there is strong originalist material to support the semantic signal that “natural born Citizen” identifies someone who is a citizen by virtue of the circumstances of his birth—as distinguished from someone who is naturalized later in life as a citizen.”
SO WHAT?
Your quotes do not exclude anyone, they only state groups of people who ARE “natural born Citizens”.
Intellectual phase lock is a problem with all academics. And then he says he's a Friend of Cruz? Yeah, who coulda seen that coming? :)
Here's his bit of logic which is awry. A naturalization law can apply BEFORE you are born.
as opposed to a naturalized citizen, which I understand to mean someone who becomes a citizen after birth.
Once again, so long as his mother is old enough, met the residency requirements, and as long as he too met the residency requirements, then in accordance with the naturalization law passed by Congress in 1934, and later modified in 1952, then sure, Ted Cruz is a "natural" citizen.
So as long as Congress leaves that law alone and doesn't repeal it, all those people who are made citizens by it's authority are "natural" citizens, even if born in foreign country to foreign fathers.
Do you agree with Bingham who helped frame the 14th Amendment? Do you agree that natural born Citizens are born from parents who do not owe allegiance to any foreign sovereignty?
Here he is again with his one note samba.
(and he's wrong, but shhhhh... Don't tell him. It's funnier this way!)
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