Posted on 07/28/2013 6:13:04 PM PDT by drewh
Sen. Ted Cruz hasn’t said whether he has presidential ambitions, but Sunday he won one of the first straw polls for the 2016 Republican presidential nomination.
The Texas Republican captured 45 percent of the 504 votes cast by attendees at the Western Conservative Summit, a day after drawing several standing ovations during his luncheon speech at the fourth annual conference.
“We shall see what sort of crystal ball summiteers have in awarding that decisive nod to Sen. Ted Cruz, who was so magnificent from this platform,” said John Andrews, founder of the Centennial Institute at Colorado Christian University, which hosted the event.
Placing second was Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker, who delivered the keynote address Friday at the three-day summit, with 13 percent of the vote.
Tied for third were Sen. Rand Paul, Kentucky Republican, and former Rep. Allen B. West, Florida Republican, with 9 percent each. Mr. West was the conference’s featured speaker Sunday, while Mr. Paul received the most votes among those on the ballot who didn’t attend the conference.
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All I hear from you on this topic is deception and a hidden agenda.
Precisely.
Imagine this scenario:
Along the US-Mexico border, in a location where hundreds even thousands of people per day cross back and forth to do business, visit friends and relatives, attend social engagements etc, along comes a pregnant woman who crosses from the US into Mexico that day and intends to come right back across into the US after a few hours. She is fully an AMERICAN citizen, by birth. But while on the Mexican side she goes into labor and gives birth before getting back to America.
After she gets back home with her baby, does the baby have to later become naturalized because he was born the day his mom visited across the border?
IOW, is the baby a foreigner? Until naturalized later? Or is the baby a citizen, but unqualified to run for President because his mom went into labor and gave birth while on Mexican soil?
Or, as my POV contends, is that baby a natural born citizen of the United States?
Under American law, not old European law, what is he?
Red Steel? What is that baby, born to an American citizen mother, who was not on American soil when the baby decided to be born??
If we agree that he is American and not Mexican, why is that?
And if those who take the view that under American law, natural born is the opposite of naturalized (and I will let THEM debate my side - they’re more qualified) are correct about that, then later the baby CAN run for President.
True, but the press will not shill for him like they did NObama, it will become a focal point of any campaign he mounts.
Professor Volokh says Senator Cruz is eligible.
“Eugene Volokh, a professor at the UCLA School of Law and longtime friend of Cruz, agrees, saying the senator was “a citizen at birth, and thus a natural-born citizen — as opposed to a naturalized citizen, which I understand to mean someone who becomes a citizen after birth.””
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/343914/cruz-birthers-eliana-johnson
Time for another e-mail?
The fact that some can say s/he is American and some can also say s/he is Mexican cannot be said of a "Natural Born Citizen" of whatever nation you apply the NBC definition to.
Blood and soil, not one or the other, and in the olden days before one parent households became our norm, "blood" would have meant dear ol' dad.
It is what it is and it has always been so.
Just as a apple tree produces only apples, an American mother produces only Americans. You can plant an apple tree (an American mother) in the the middle of an orange grove (foreign soil), but it will continue to produce only apples, never an orange.
Ted Cruz - 2016
(A Natural Born American, by birth and at birth)
Your view has NEVER been true.
You are wrong.
I have already posted the Citizenship rules from the US State Department.
It's the American way. ;-)
Natural born is the highest level of purity, no dilution, the cleanest title, no blemishes, the highest pedigree, one generation back.
The concept is easy to understand, since it’s what the title of your car or the deed to your house is saying to you as a buyer or seller.
The concept is easy to understand if you raise, show or sell purebred animals, such as dogs and cats or livestock.
It’s easy to understand if you’re playing “Who is the most Irish?” on St. Patty’s day, that the person born in Ireland to Irish parents is going to beat any that doesn’t start there. The rest are Irish enough for drinks and self-esteem and even a popularity contest, but not the highest standard.
The highest standard, the one that every citizen innately understands and agrees with, is a person born here to American parents is a natural born American citizen. Simple, easy to understand. No argument or disagreements. We start with that highest standard.
It works if you take apply that standard to any other nation and its citizens, where things like citizenship and nationality actually still mean something, even though you claim they don’t.
It may not matter to you, but some people want to believe that the one person with that much power over all of us had damn well better be one of us, not by treaty, not by someone’s law, not by the ruling of a monarch or emperor or judge, but simply because their title is clean and clear, the pedigree is pure one generation back. Love them or hate them, they are one of us.
But…if mom or dad or where they are born isn’t all American, then their title is blemished.
It can be cleaned up and made whole and good, but the blemish remains and, until the Constitution is changed, is a disqualifier for only one office in all the land and all of that concentrated power.
Mom, Dad and dirt must all agree to keep it in the Natural (not native) Born Family.
Keep it simple. Stop moving the goal posts. Stop changing the rules to fit your moment or the Constitution to fit your agenda.
People who do those things lack integrity and aren’t to be trusted.
Please read the rules a bit. Congress has changed the rules a few times.
We are in perfect agreement that birth on United States Soil (Or territory) is NOT required for Citizenship at Birth.
The best way to get the United States Government’s opinion of valid Citizenship is to go to the State Department website and look at an application for a Passport. Click on the information concerning claims of birthright citizenship for those born on foreign soil
“He is a natural born citizen per Article 1 section 8 which vests Congress with the authority of making the rules of naturalization. Which they have codified in Title 8 Section 1401 subsection G that stipulates that Mr Cruz is a citizen at birth and thus has never needed naturalization.”
Congress has authority to make rules of naturalization, they have made those rules, and those rules vest Cruz with citizenship at birth, therefor he “has never needed naturalization”
Hahahahahhahahahahaha! A snake eating its tail. Good luck with that.
Your teachers were wrong.
Your teachers had no authority to lead you down the wrong path.
They were in error when they taught you.
You are in error now.
What you believe is not true today, and has never been true in the history of this country.
You are wrong.
There are ONLY two forms of Citizenship in the United States:
Natural Born
Naturalized
There is NO living legal authority in the country who disagrees with me on these points.
“Title 8 section 1401 subsection G of the US code states that he is a US citizen at birth and is thus, a natural born citizen.”
Any other words you want to insert into the law?
If Congress intended “natural born citizen” the law would state so, just as the law did in 1790. The fact is the law says “citizen”.
Do you also cheat at golf?
Well I pretty much figured Volokh would be a moving target. I doubt the FReeper was lying in 08. What we have here are people for a variety of not so ethical reasons wishing so therefore it is. So called “legal scholars” in the liberal political science departments or the many talking heads in the media are not in the practice of real science or rocket science for that matter. It changes like the wind in their circles.
So how is Fogbow these days 4zoltan?
What is it about Ted Cruz that makes you doubt that Ted Cruz is as much "one of us" as any of our past presidents?
We're taking about our Constitution here, not cars, homes, dogs, cats, livestock or Irish drinking games. Why should we adopt a rule based upon how easy it is for you to remember?
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