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Day 16 (Week #4) Zimmerman Trial – Witness Discussion Thread
The Conservative Treehouse ^ | July 1, 2013 | Sundance

Posted on 07/01/2013 5:17:35 AM PDT by Uncle Chip

Today, July 1st, is DAY #16 (of 4th week) State of Florida V. George Zimmerman case.

Last week the prosecution feebly presented the first series of witnesses against George Zimmerman. However, as most observers would note, the witnesses called by the state have so far been more beneficial for the Zimmerman Self-Defense position.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: florida; sanford; skittles; trayvon; trayvonmartin; zimmerman
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To: RummyChick
I just went back and watched the reenactment. Absolutely no mention of fear until his head was being bashed. Tray circled his car while it was parked and then Tray disappeared...

I'd say Tray had already made up his mind to attack GZ (the pussy-ass cracker (as the shirt said)and played cat and mouse...He had plenty of time to get home.

1,321 posted on 07/01/2013 3:38:41 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: BuckeyeTexan

“When he runs away, my “fear” changes to concern for what he’s doing elsewhere. Since I am carrying, I do get out of the car to ensure that he’s not breaking into someone’s home, destroying someone’s property, etc.”

But is that what happened??????

When someone can find me a transcript of that interrogation as it pertains to the car I will show you exactly why the jury could be concerned and why O’Mara is working on fixing the issues.

Now, I have to go because it really is pointless until someone can get me a transcript TO SHOW YOU how this played out.

For pete’s sake..there are people posting that he wasn’t afraid in his car..and that just isn’t the case.


1,322 posted on 07/01/2013 3:39:11 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick
If I was afraid in my car - and GZ admitted he was...I would not get out of the car.

Well, I would. So would a very great many men.

If I was prudent enough to feel the fear in the first place. One time I was at a public place and there was a report of a man up front carrying a gun. So what did I do?

Well naturally, I walked up front to see what was going on.

1,323 posted on 07/01/2013 3:39:24 PM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: onyx
Even "told not to follow" is stronger than Sean, the dispatcher, would have you take the suggestion. The words were "We don;t need you to do that." Sean testified that dispatchers avoid giving direct orders, because doing so exposes the town to liability.

Just the same, Zimmerman followed the suggestion.

And to this very day, you can find press accounts (I think CNN has this up, today), that claim as fact "Zimmerman got out of his truck after he was told not to."

1,324 posted on 07/01/2013 3:39:32 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Hulka

Mis-Post.

Meant for post 1202, Rummy.

Apology for that.

What a day. . .


1,325 posted on 07/01/2013 3:40:03 PM PDT by Hulka
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To: RummyChick
AGAIN, it is females that are deciding his fate.

Well, you might not understand it, but I guarantee there are a lot of females out there who understand that men are capable of being afraid of something and doing it anyway.

1,326 posted on 07/01/2013 3:41:01 PM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: Hulka

Rather than engage you politely, which is my normal reaction, I will just say that I think you are an asshole. You’ll never get a response from me on anything, ever.


1,327 posted on 07/01/2013 3:41:08 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: RummyChick

Rummy turn it over to MOM He’s in control, knows what he’s doing and will address the issue if serious. You no longer have to worry about it. Put it on the shelf He’s doing a wonderful job and is doing one of the best jobs in his cross exam

BTW. Don’t be surprised if Z was under medical care and his meds caused him to be flat ..... Emotional waves flattened out as in meds for ADHD


1,328 posted on 07/01/2013 3:41:12 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then!)
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To: Sacajaweau

Hope many times do I have to say it is the INTERROGATION TAPE THAT IS THE PROBLEM.

The interrogation tape is the tape that Bernie wanted into evidence and asked very few questions about it.

He let it stand on it’s own.

That is WHY O’Mara need to cross examine on this one and not West because my guess is that West would not have been as effective.


1,329 posted on 07/01/2013 3:41:36 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick
During that interrogation Zimmerman says he is in fear while still in the car. The Detective talks about him getting OUT of the car and mentions the word fear and that it wasn’t fear when he got out of the car. You don’t get out of the car if you are in fear If I am in the jury box I am going to wonder about that.

I also like to play devils advocate only because I want the defense to diffuse and smother every single unanswered question.....I don't want ANY doubt in the juries mind.....and i look for anything. However, GZ said he did not want to approach or confront TM at all. He did not open his car window for part fear and fear of conflict. When they NonEmergency911 asked him exactly where he was ...GZ has showed himself to be a helpful concerned person who wanted to help. He got out of his car to see if he could find a street name and to see what direction TM went. When he was told he didn't have to follow TM, he still walked to see a street sign/number to help the operator and then he started to go back to his car....but was confronted by Treyvon. THe first time GZ started screaming, TM covering his mouth/nose and GZ said he wigggled away. TM did not have his hands on GZ mouth the whole time....only when GZ started screaming.

1,330 posted on 07/01/2013 3:42:04 PM PDT by Fawn (In a World of Information, Ignorance is a Choice.)
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To: Sacajaweau

The fear remark appears in the Feb 29 interview.


1,331 posted on 07/01/2013 3:42:36 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: RummyChick

You are off on tangents.
You’re not focusing on the meat of the case:
1. Did GZ fear for his life when he shot TVM?


1,332 posted on 07/01/2013 3:42:48 PM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: AllAmericanGirl44

If the shoe fits,

You must acquit.


1,333 posted on 07/01/2013 3:42:52 PM PDT by sleddogs
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To: RummyChick

At the risk of annoying sleddog, I might suggest as I have already, that YOU shag down that testimony of the taped interview and point out to ME exactly where he claims he in in fear while in his truck.

Stop quoting twittering tweeting twits of wanna be lawyers for heavens sake!


1,334 posted on 07/01/2013 3:42:57 PM PDT by AllAmericanGirl44 ('Hey citizen, what's in YOUR closet?')
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To: Jeff Winston

Doesn’t matter.

You can think someone is perfectly rationale and/or thinks a certain and way and then SURPRISE ...the jury convicts.

Why do think lawyers fight so hard over jurors and why there are so many jury consultants.


1,335 posted on 07/01/2013 3:43:35 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: Cboldt
I think that's it. The state will take all of this short week, maybe some more starting after the four day weekend. The jury is going to be pissed at the state for sequestration on a case that has no merit.

Lol.

1,336 posted on 07/01/2013 3:43:43 PM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: RummyChick

Watch Nancy Grace.
She’ll agree with you.


1,337 posted on 07/01/2013 3:44:10 PM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: AllAmericanGirl44

Oh - sorry. I’m not sure I see any fear in that transcript. Although I know that the few times I have called 911 about suspicious characters in our neighborhood I am nervous. I think just calling the cops is one thing that makes me nervous, plus wondering if the person really is up to no good, and then the fear of losing sight of them.


1,338 posted on 07/01/2013 3:44:36 PM PDT by 21twelve ("We've got the guns, and we got the numbers" adapted and revised from Jim M.)
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To: RummyChick
If I was afraid in my car - and GZ admitted he was...I would not get out of the car.

But you aren't a Neighborhood Watch Person who has a concealed carry license, and has taken the responsibility for monitoring suspicious activity and reporting to the police.

Correct?

Wasn't George simply being responsible and trying to keep track of the suspect until police arrived ?

If he, like you, just sat in his vehicle while the suspect did as he pleased, what would the point be of having a NeighborHood Watch person ?

1,339 posted on 07/01/2013 3:44:57 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: lacrew

Thanks. I’m cubicle bound during the day, and I don’t get to hear the stuff as it’s going on. I highly doubt Zimmerman got out of the car while the thug wass “walking around it.” But I probably would if I saw him running away, just to get clear of the car and in a better, less obvious position.


1,340 posted on 07/01/2013 3:45:16 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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