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Day 15 (Week #3) Zimmerman Trial – Witness Discussion Thread
The Conservative Treehouse ^ | June 28, 2013 | Sundance

Posted on 06/28/2013 5:14:39 AM PDT by Uncle Chip

Today, June 28th, is DAY #15 (of 3rd week) State of Florida V. George Zimmerman case. [Yesterday] … it was simply not a very good day at all for the prosecution. The primary State witnesses today were Rachel Jeantel, Jenna Lauer, and Selma Mora.

The first had her credibility substantively destroyed, the second was powerfully–almost humiliatingly–co-opted by the defense, and the third provided testimony entirely consistent with the defense’s theory of lawful self-defense. (continue reading)

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: florida; floridojudicirats; georgezimmerman; kangaroo; kangaroocourt; trayvonmartin; zimmerman
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To: Uncle Chip; RummyChick

No decent teevee infotainment “reporter” would let the facts get in the way of a good, inflammatory screen banner!


381 posted on 06/28/2013 9:03:08 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: Raebie

I don’t think so, but the idiot libs are grasping at straws now. How is there “negligence” here?


382 posted on 06/28/2013 9:04:20 AM PDT by Kansas58
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To: eastforker

George wasn’t a fighter. A pudgy fellow who always feared getting too close to those he would follow/report in his Neighborhood Watch duties. If his intent was to shoot and kill Trayvon, no way he picks a fight with him just to risk getting subdued and pummelled so he can have an excuse to shoot him. It’s crazy to even try to understand that.


383 posted on 06/28/2013 9:05:16 AM PDT by over3Owithabrain
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Kitty_Genovese
Sorry to say but like the Kitty Genovese rape, as then, even today most people will not assist to acry for help.
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Sanford,Fl / Different case, also no help and what was attempted was kept away by threat of a gun.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3036652/posts


384 posted on 06/28/2013 9:05:39 AM PDT by GOYAKLA (Waiting for the Golden Screw to be removed from Obama's navel and his a$$ falls off!)
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To: Kansas58
prKS's  album on Photobucket

385 posted on 06/28/2013 9:06:17 AM PDT by Kansas58
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To: JoeProBono

Sorry JPB, what is this a pic of? I missed the vid :/


386 posted on 06/28/2013 9:06:41 AM PDT by Bikkuri (Molon Labe)
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To: Uncle Chip

In my memory, there are only 2 MMAers that can do damage from the bottom.. and I bet Zimm wouldn’t be anywhere near that capable (no offense to him.. but, you get my meaning)..


387 posted on 06/28/2013 9:08:27 AM PDT by Bikkuri (Molon Labe)
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To: Kansas58

For me the question remains what evidence did the prosecution have to pursue this case, I’ve seen nothing yet to justify this prosecution, being initiated.


388 posted on 06/28/2013 9:09:13 AM PDT by PoloSec ( Believe the Gospel: how that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again)
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To: GOYAKLA

“even today most people will not assist to acry for help”

I can’t remember where I learned this - but I tell my wife this all the time - if you are ever in trouble don’t yell for help - YELL FIRE!!

I think this was in a college pyche course - People will respond to a fire..


389 posted on 06/28/2013 9:09:36 AM PDT by acw011 (Great Goooogly Mooogly!)
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To: gov_bean_ counter
Not watching live. Is this a prosecution or defense witness?


Prosecution, from what I gathered..
390 posted on 06/28/2013 9:10:26 AM PDT by Bikkuri (Molon Labe)
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To: Bikkuri

That is Good’s drawing of what he saw that night in stick figure style.


391 posted on 06/28/2013 9:10:43 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Bikkuri
Tha thought had never even crossed my mind... but an excellent idea!

Yes, it would bee helpful, especially for a jury of women, to have someone explain that Martin was in what is called a "full mount," where he has passed the bottom person's legs. This is the most dominant position to be in for ground fighting (having one or both of the bottom person's arms pinned under his own torso or the upper person's knees, a "crucifix" position, is obviously, even more dominant).

This is the position every ground fighter tries to achieve.

Normally, after a takedown, the top person ends up in the "guard" of the bottom person; that is, between his legs. From there, the bottom person can still exert some control on the top person's torso with his legs.

From there, the top person will try to "pass his guard," by getting past the bottom person's legs into what is called "side control," and then throw his leg over the bottom person, straddling his torso, to achieve a "full mount."

Now, even in full mount, the bottom person can clinch the torso of the upper person, making it difficult for him to get the full range of motion required to throw forceful blows. So, when getting full mount, the top person then tries to "posture up," being upright on his knees so he can then throw forceful punches and elbows.

It is probably the most vulnerable position to be in in a fight.

392 posted on 06/28/2013 9:10:46 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (There should be a whole lot more going on than throwing bleach, said one woman.)
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To: Bikkuri
Witness Good's diagram of the assault scene.
393 posted on 06/28/2013 9:10:49 AM PDT by JoeProBono (Mille vocibus imago valet;-{)
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To: All

I really want a video of the statement Omara read (John Good) at the end. That says it all in a nutshell......


394 posted on 06/28/2013 9:10:53 AM PDT by Fawn (In a World of Information, Ignorance is a Choice.)
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To: Bikkuri

Thanks.


395 posted on 06/28/2013 9:11:13 AM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,)
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To: DCBryan1
News 9 talking heads now saying GZ “must” take stand, and that defense screwed up and gave “silver platter” statement that GZ was capable of defending himself with hands or could get away by rolling....sheesh.

Even if this were true - and nothing in this testimony would seem to support that conclusion - the fact that GZ may have been able to use his hands to defend himself or roll away, does not mean he was legally obligated to do so before using deadly force. All that is required is that he had a reasonable fear for his life. So far, that fear seems to be well established by the prosecutions's witnesses.

396 posted on 06/28/2013 9:11:14 AM PDT by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: dragnet2

Both BDLR and O’Mara rest with Good saying he didn’t see actual fists hitting flesh. Just arms going down.

Martin was just fanning Z to ensure his comfort.
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Or perhaps swiping the raindrops off of Mr Zimmerman’s forehead.


397 posted on 06/28/2013 9:11:20 AM PDT by House Atreides
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To: william clark

Since I did not see vid (or read info about the situation..), were the jury present for all of this?


398 posted on 06/28/2013 9:12:06 AM PDT by Bikkuri (Molon Labe)
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To: Bikkuri

399 posted on 06/28/2013 9:12:14 AM PDT by JoeProBono (Mille vocibus imago valet;-{)
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To: over3Owithabrain

Florida set this up, mostly Republicans BTW ???


400 posted on 06/28/2013 9:12:29 AM PDT by Java4Jay (The evils of government are directly proportional to the tolerance of the people.)
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