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SCOTUS: same-sex marriage decisions - Live Thread (Decisions at 97, 194, & 217)
Free Republic | 06/26/2013 | BuckeyeTexan

Posted on 06/25/2013 9:54:04 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan

At 10:00 AM Wednesday, the Supreme Court will deliver its final decisions of this term. We can expect decisions on both same-sex marriage cases.

California Proposition 8: Hollingsworth v. Perry

In November 2008, 52.3 percent of California voters approved Proposition 8, which added language to the California Constitution that defined marriage as a union between a man and a woman. In May 2009, a California District Court ruled that Proposition 8 violated the Equal Protection and Due Process Clauses of the Fourteenth Amendment and temporarily prohibited its enforcement, and the Ninth Circuit agreed, affirming the District Court’s ruling. The United States Supreme Court will now consider whether a state can define marriage solely as the union of a man and a woman, in addition to considering whether the proponents of Proposition 8 have standing to bring suit in federal court. The Court’s ruling will implicate the rights of gay men and lesbians, the role of the government in structuring family and society, and the relationship between the institution of marriage and religion and morality.

Defense of Marriage Act: United States v. Windsor

Edith Windsor and Thea Spyer married in Toronto in 2007 where same-sex marriages were legal. At the time of Spyer’s death, the state of New York recognized the couple’s marriage. However, the IRS denied Windsor use of a spousal estate tax exception on the ground that, under the Defense of Marriage Act (“DOMA”), the federal government did not recognize same-sex marriages for the purpose of federal benefits. The Supreme Court is now being asked to decide DOMA’s Constitutionality. The Obama Administration is not defending DOMA, so a Bipartisan Legal Advisory Group (“BLAG”) from the House of Representatives is doing so, arguing that DOMA is rationally related to the legitimate government objective of providing a uniform definition of marriage for federal benefits purposes. The Obama administration counters that the use of sexual orientation to decide who gets benefits is a suspect classification that deserves higher scrutiny. Under that level of higher scrutiny, the Obama administration argues that DOMA is impermissible. This case can affect what role the federal government can play in defining marriage and who in the federal government can defend the government’s laws. Not only could this case provide large tax savings to Ms. Windsor herself, but it can also make federal benefits available to other same-sex couples who are legally married under the laws of their state.



TOPICS: Breaking News; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: doma; gaymarriage; homosexualagenda; moralabsolutes; notbreakingnews; obamanation; prop8; ruling; samesexmarriage; scotus; ursulathevk; vanity; zot
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To: Outraged At FLA
I'm just morbidly curious, but do you have any objections to laws forbidding bestiality? I'm just wondering if the satanic Libertarians are going to come out and endorse it too.
181 posted on 06/26/2013 7:26:05 AM PDT by dbehsman (NRA Life Member, and loving every minute of it!)
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To: Cheerio

Might be the nation will be divided like it was with the nor th and south...only the division line will be the sane and the insane...the moral and the immoral...


182 posted on 06/26/2013 7:26:55 AM PDT by caww
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To: caww

No it does not. The only part of statue was the denying those benefits in those states which made Gay marriage legal.


183 posted on 06/26/2013 7:27:04 AM PDT by Perdogg (Sen Ted Cruz, Sen Mike Lee, and Sen Rand Paul are my adoptive Senators)
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To: Yosemitest
THANK YOU.

Hell in a Handbasket
Doom express.

Dear Word Detective: Why do we say that someone is “going to Hell in a handbasket”? Why a “handbasket”? What exactly does the full expression mean? — Sharm.

Well, it means that person is in a heap o’ trouble, on a slippery slope, circling the drain and on the road to perdition.

184 posted on 06/26/2013 7:28:04 AM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: BuckeyeTexan
10:27 Amy Howe: Kedar now has to bust out a new line-up for his statistics. Majority is Roberts with Scalia, Ginsburg, Breyer, and Kagan.

How interesting ... DOMA goes down and now we have strange bedfellows.

185 posted on 06/26/2013 7:28:06 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Unindicted Co-conspirators: The Mainstream Media)
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To: BuckeyeTexan
The property damage and casualty insurers are going to take a beating once the inevitable natural disasters begin.

Please have mercy on us, Lord.

186 posted on 06/26/2013 7:28:53 AM PDT by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: dbehsman

“I’m just morbidly curious, but do you have any objections to laws forbidding bestiality? I’m just wondering if the satanic Libertarians are going to come out and endorse it too. “

I do object. We are not talking about consenting adults are we? Or are you condoning marriage between a man and a female pig?


187 posted on 06/26/2013 7:28:58 AM PDT by Outraged At FLA
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To: NonValueAdded

Decision in Prop 8: The decision of the Ninth Circuit is vacated and remanded...


188 posted on 06/26/2013 7:29:03 AM PDT by Perdogg (Sen Ted Cruz, Sen Mike Lee, and Sen Rand Paul are my adoptive Senators)
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To: Outraged At FLA

Why would gays want to go through a religious ceremony when many of them do not believe in God or the Bible?

There is a great article online by a gay who asks this question. He said many of them do not believe in God or the bible because being gay is considered a sin.

I was in SF when Prop 8 was voted in by the people. Some radical gays were throwing urine out of cups at church people.

The names of those who donated towards Prop 8 were outed and then they were threatened.

The Folsom street parade is out in the street with S & M and public masturbation. The gay pride parade is full of men in chaps with their bare butts hanging out. Most disturbing is they have insisted that others view and accept their lifestyle.


189 posted on 06/26/2013 7:29:05 AM PDT by OafOfOffice (W.C:Socialism:Philosophy of failure,creed of ignorance,gospel of envy,the equal sharing of misery)
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To: PapaNew
"Waiting for the other shoe to fall. SCOTUS should remand the issue back to the state and let the state hash it out. It's none of the Feds'/Scotus' business."

Nope, this won't stop now. Marriage will become a protected Federal "Right"...! There will be legislation to cement this win for the left. And it will happen fast!

190 posted on 06/26/2013 7:29:22 AM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: All

191 posted on 06/26/2013 7:29:33 AM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: BuckeyeTexan

Drudge: Prop 8 decision by 9th Circus is remanded...


192 posted on 06/26/2013 7:29:50 AM PDT by rfp1234 (Arguing with a marxist is like playing Chess with a Pigeon.)
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To: EternalVigilance
Now, the court can rule that up is down, and down is up, but that doesn’t change nature one iota.

I like to equate it to the politicans in the District of Corruption trying to change the "Law of Economics".
193 posted on 06/26/2013 7:29:55 AM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: Perdogg; Lurking Libertarian; JDW11235; Clairity; TheOldLady; Spacetrucker; Art in Idaho; GregNH; ..
Hollingsworth v. Perry

Petitioner did not have standing. 9th Circuit is vacated and remanded to dismiss the appeal for lack of standing.

5-4 decision: Roberts, Scalia, Breyer, Kagan, Ginsburg versus Kennedy, Thomas, Alito, Sotomayor

194 posted on 06/26/2013 7:30:06 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: Perdogg

Yes...bu IN THOSE states it changes the definition of marriage by putting gay marriage on equal with the the norm, male and female.

I question then... doesn’t that cause us all to recognize those marriages as equal (thereby changing the definition of marriage)....because they will receive “federal” benefits rights..


195 posted on 06/26/2013 7:30:22 AM PDT by caww
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To: Outraged At FLA

You’re the satanic Libertarian, so you tell me. Why would you object to bestiality?


196 posted on 06/26/2013 7:30:53 AM PDT by dbehsman (NRA Life Member, and loving every minute of it!)
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To: OafOfOffice

Newsflash, marriage was around long before Christianity.


197 posted on 06/26/2013 7:31:06 AM PDT by Outraged At FLA
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To: rfp1234; All

I know this is a stupid question, but what does remanded mean?


198 posted on 06/26/2013 7:31:14 AM PDT by Marathoner (Sarah Palin is our Esther, for such a time as this)
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To: caww

Only in those states which allow it.


199 posted on 06/26/2013 7:31:40 AM PDT by Perdogg (Sen Ted Cruz, Sen Mike Lee, and Sen Rand Paul are my adoptive Senators)
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To: Teacher317
All good points. But not everyone agrees with these things. What do we do with that? What we've always done in the free constitutional republic of America. Let the people at the local levels decide for themselves. Those that agree, do it their way, and the localities/states who believe otherwise do it their way.

We don't need nor want some big lunk-headed federal government deciding our issues for us or else we're not free at all but under a totalitarian regime.

200 posted on 06/26/2013 7:31:42 AM PDT by PapaNew
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