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SCOTUS: same-sex marriage decisions - Live Thread (Decisions at 97, 194, & 217)
Free Republic | 06/26/2013 | BuckeyeTexan

Posted on 06/25/2013 9:54:04 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan

At 10:00 AM Wednesday, the Supreme Court will deliver its final decisions of this term. We can expect decisions on both same-sex marriage cases.

California Proposition 8: Hollingsworth v. Perry

In November 2008, 52.3 percent of California voters approved Proposition 8, which added language to the California Constitution that defined marriage as a union between a man and a woman. In May 2009, a California District Court ruled that Proposition 8 violated the Equal Protection and Due Process Clauses of the Fourteenth Amendment and temporarily prohibited its enforcement, and the Ninth Circuit agreed, affirming the District Court’s ruling. The United States Supreme Court will now consider whether a state can define marriage solely as the union of a man and a woman, in addition to considering whether the proponents of Proposition 8 have standing to bring suit in federal court. The Court’s ruling will implicate the rights of gay men and lesbians, the role of the government in structuring family and society, and the relationship between the institution of marriage and religion and morality.

Defense of Marriage Act: United States v. Windsor

Edith Windsor and Thea Spyer married in Toronto in 2007 where same-sex marriages were legal. At the time of Spyer’s death, the state of New York recognized the couple’s marriage. However, the IRS denied Windsor use of a spousal estate tax exception on the ground that, under the Defense of Marriage Act (“DOMA”), the federal government did not recognize same-sex marriages for the purpose of federal benefits. The Supreme Court is now being asked to decide DOMA’s Constitutionality. The Obama Administration is not defending DOMA, so a Bipartisan Legal Advisory Group (“BLAG”) from the House of Representatives is doing so, arguing that DOMA is rationally related to the legitimate government objective of providing a uniform definition of marriage for federal benefits purposes. The Obama administration counters that the use of sexual orientation to decide who gets benefits is a suspect classification that deserves higher scrutiny. Under that level of higher scrutiny, the Obama administration argues that DOMA is impermissible. This case can affect what role the federal government can play in defining marriage and who in the federal government can defend the government’s laws. Not only could this case provide large tax savings to Ms. Windsor herself, but it can also make federal benefits available to other same-sex couples who are legally married under the laws of their state.



TOPICS: Breaking News; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: doma; gaymarriage; homosexualagenda; moralabsolutes; notbreakingnews; obamanation; prop8; ruling; samesexmarriage; scotus; ursulathevk; vanity; zot
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To: Mad Dawgg

LOL.
Excellent.


141 posted on 06/26/2013 7:17:04 AM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: caww
Yes, but not until after a half zillion Equal Protection cases forcing the other states to honor the marriages from the 11 "progressive" states.

I haven't read the opinion yet but I'd be astonished if they did not touch upon the fallout in the dissent. After all, DOMA was passed with the specific intent of curing the Equal Protection issue.

142 posted on 06/26/2013 7:17:04 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Unindicted Co-conspirators: The Mainstream Media)
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To: SoFloFreeper

See 136 above.


143 posted on 06/26/2013 7:17:06 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: dbehsman

“You have no moral backbone. Enjoy the fruits of your labors.”

Enjoy setting the example of how well it works pushing your definition of morality on everyone else. I believe that is what Obamacare is too..

My morality says it is immoral to use force. Yours apparently does not. Enjoy your moral depravity.


144 posted on 06/26/2013 7:17:07 AM PDT by Outraged At FLA
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To: Outraged At FLA

Marriage is a spiritual bond, but it is also a civil bond, one that provides the mortar that holds the foundations of civil society together, and provides the possibility of fulfilling the ultimate stated purpose of our Constitution: “To secure the Blessings of Liberty to our Posterity.”

The whole “leave it up to the states” or “keep government out of it” position is thoughtless and ignorant, to be perfectly frank about it. It just doesn’t comport with reality.


145 posted on 06/26/2013 7:17:19 AM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: OneWingedShark
Never again allow The Left to claim that there is 'separation of church and state': they just demanded and have now won the enshrinement of a purely religious device (marriage) into Constitutional protection.
146 posted on 06/26/2013 7:17:25 AM PDT by alancarp (Obama will grab your guns and ship them to Mexican drug mobs.)
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To: EternalVigilance
But by giving gays marriage benefits, doesn't this then force them to accept that gay marriage is equal to the acceptable definition of marriage...so it changes the definition of marriage' by default?
147 posted on 06/26/2013 7:17:46 AM PDT by caww
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To: Lazamataz
Alright, well what about me? I’m gay but I like vaccuum cleaners sexually and I want to marry a llama. What about me? Where’s MY equal protection?

In a box of condoms.

;)


Morning Laz.

148 posted on 06/26/2013 7:17:53 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: caww

I think you are correct, as I understand it.


149 posted on 06/26/2013 7:18:13 AM PDT by Fishtalk (http://patfish.blogspot.com/)
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To: EternalVigilance

Can you show me George and Martha Washington’s marriage license please?


150 posted on 06/26/2013 7:18:22 AM PDT by Outraged At FLA
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To: Outraged At FLA

I can stand before God. You can stand before Satan. Enjoy the trip, you’ve earned it.


151 posted on 06/26/2013 7:18:43 AM PDT by dbehsman (NRA Life Member, and loving every minute of it!)
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To: OneWingedShark; BuckeyeTexan

It sounds like all the court said was that in States that recognized gay marriage, those federal benefits must apply to those individuals. Apparently it did not say that other states were required to recognize the union.


152 posted on 06/26/2013 7:18:51 AM PDT by Perdogg (Sen Ted Cruz, Sen Mike Lee, and Sen Rand Paul are my adoptive Senators)
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To: SoFloFreeper

I just messaged to Amy Howe at SCOTUSblog for an explanation.


153 posted on 06/26/2013 7:19:41 AM PDT by ScottinVA ( Liberal is to patriotism as Kermit Gosnell is to neonatal care.)
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To: Perdogg

CORRECT.


154 posted on 06/26/2013 7:19:48 AM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: Perdogg

Thank you PD.

I just listened to Andrew Napalatano on Fox and he says essentially what you say.


155 posted on 06/26/2013 7:20:02 AM PDT by Fishtalk (http://patfish.blogspot.com/)
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To: OneWingedShark; PapaNew
The REAL solution is the one that nobody ever hears about, of course... and it has NOTHING to do with sexual orientation, religious sacraments, Equal Protection, or Freedom of Religion. If government stopped treating MARRIED people differently from SINGLE people, this issue goes away in an instant! But our Beloved Overlords will never consider dropping one iota of societal control... ever... and so the media dances with glee about the ability to preside over a Constitutional argument where both sides have a legitimate claim. (And they relish opening the debate with a lie, that "gay marriage" should be legalized, even though NOTHING about making a lifetime commitment to someone of the same gender is currently illegal.)

The ONLY differences between married and single Americans are minor tax variations, a handful of probate rules, insurance regulations, and DNR decisions. Allow Americans the FREEDOM to choose who to put on their insurance, and allow insurers the FREEDOM to charge rates as appropriate by actuarial tables... tax us ALL the same, whether single or wedded... allow changes to DNR and probate defaults so that a lifetime loving partner can be chosen over a disapproving parent who hasn't talked to their child in decades... and the debate ENDS IN A DAY! But again, our government will never allow for more Freedom and slightly less control for themselves... so here we are.

156 posted on 06/26/2013 7:20:11 AM PDT by Teacher317 (The public is being manipulated to fleece the taxpayer. That is the real industry in Washington.)
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To: SoCalTransplant

This country will break up along red states/blue states.


157 posted on 06/26/2013 7:20:21 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: EternalVigilance

“The whole “leave it up to the states” or “keep government out of it” position is thoughtless and ignorant, to be perfectly frank about it. It just doesn’t comport with reality.”

Really? So the government isn’t qualified to run Obamacare, the IRS, the DMV, etc., but it is okay for them to dictate how marriages work. Got it. I apologize for my ignorance.


158 posted on 06/26/2013 7:20:28 AM PDT by Outraged At FLA
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To: BuckeyeTexan
How Satanic of a decision can you get ?
This is what we get when we FAIL to OBEY God.
For it is written: Those who support homosexuals are against our Heavenly Father and His Son Jesus Christ.
These anti Christ people only bring destruction on us ALL.
I have NO sympathy for homosexuals!

Homosexuality is a "Mark" of disobedience.
Someone once asked The answer is in the definition of "REPROBATE". And the reason"why" is given in the Bible.

God has a cure for homosexuals.
159 posted on 06/26/2013 7:20:39 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: EternalVigilance
I've searched the Constitution diligently, and nowhere do I find judicial power to "repeal" or veto laws.

You know, I made that same point to the Romney-pushers who said that he'd repeal Obamacare...
But then the IRS, NSA, and Fast & Furious all indicate that the Constitution is meaningless for one reason: there are no consequences for violating it.

160 posted on 06/26/2013 7:20:41 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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