[stephenjohnbanker]

” .we both agree far more than we disagree, likely 95%+...”

Probably about the same percentage for me. My one sticky spot is Palin. I don’t trust her, because of what she said about McCain, when she came here to boost him.

Arizona Republic: Palin....” John McCain IS the Tea Party!

The very next day....”

Arizona Republic:....” John McCain is the REAL conservative”

These are verbatim quotes from this Phoenix, AZ newspaper

No sale. Lost integrity. I don’t trust her.

As for illegals, I’m with Doughty One. She keeps saying that she is for AZ, then reverts back to “ IMMIGRATION REFORM” You can’t have it both ways. OK, back to agreeing 95% again : )

[Lakeshark]

I understand.

I also understand why she would endorse the man who selected her as the veep candidate. I don't like it, but I get it.

She has never "reverted" since her support of the AZ law. She appears, at least, to be closer to our views than McCains on immigration. She remains a strong conservative voice, as Cruz has said, "without her I'm not in the senate". I appreciate the vast majority of what she does, says, and works for, it's really the same direction we all want.

As to illegals, I think D1, you and myself are more than 95% agreed.

[DoughtyOne]

we both agree far more than we disagree, likely 95%+...

Probably about the same percentage for me. My one sticky spot is Palin. I don’t trust her, because of what she said about McCain, when she came here to boost him.  Arizona Republic: Palin....” John McCain IS the Tea Party!  The very next day....”  Arizona Republic:....” John McCain is the REAL conservative”  These are verbatim quotes from this Phoenix, AZ newspaper.  No sale. Lost integrity. I don’t trust her.  As for illegals, I’m with Doughty One. She keeps saying that she is for AZ, then reverts back to “ IMMIGRATION REFORM” You can’t have it both ways. OK, back to agreeing 95% again : )

LakeShark, you and I may agree on 95% of our beliefs, but I will admit to finding that hard to believe.  I don't like to carry on discussions across threads, but there are exceptions, and I think this is a case where it is called for.  I also try to let bygones be bygones too, but here again, I am pressed to recall some things that have taken place here for years.

I have bumped into you on thread after thread over the years, disagreeing with you time and again.  I'm not trying to be mean here.  I'm just not able to agree with your descriptor that you agree with JohnStephenBanker on 95% of the issues.  Being charitable, maybe you do.  Maybe I only bump into you on certain topics, and don't realize that our disagreements are limited to far fewer topics than I realize.  And being charitable again, I'm not perfect, so perhaps it is me who is wrong part of the time.  None the less, the impression I come away with is that you don't agree with StephenJohnBanker even 50% of the time.  Again, perhaps you do.  Perhaps you agree with him a lot more than I realize.

What bothers me on this thread is that statements are made, people provide video of the person in question making statements, they quote her statements, and it doesn't really affect your view.  You tell me that you and I agree on immigration, but when the candidate herself reveals that she doesn't, you diplay a mindset that reveals you're still a staunch supporter?  Why would you support someone who disagrees with you?  Well, you wouldn't.  Nobody would.  The sad truth is, you don't agree with me on immigration.  You merely say you do.

As I said in another post, I am inclined to like everyone.  It's when I'm gamed, not dealt with truthfully, that I lose the ability to be the friend of someone.

Why do you presist in acting this way?  Why do you make comments in posts that are stricken down by other comments you make in the same post?  It's unsettling to watch.

I don't dislike you, but you really aren't exactly what you pass yourself off as being.  That's not the act of someone who wants to be respected by others.

[NFHale]

I think the issue with Sarah Palin is that so many Freepers look at her and see “Sarah” instead of seeing “Politician”. And she IS a politician, after all, playing the game.

We aren’t in that game - and the people that put themselves in the middle of it eventually figure out how to twist the rules of game to their best advantage, not ours. And they get GOOD at it out of survival instinct, or they quit and go back to where they came from.

All of us out here WANT to believe in the folks that we see as our standard-bearer, and its very, very difficult to accept when the so-called standard-bearers show themselves to be just another politician playing both sides against the middle.

And it swings back and forth day after day - look at Rand Paul. He steps up, does his filibuster, and we’re applauding the guy - “He’s the ONE!!! Look at him GO!!!” etc., ect., A couple days later, he says something that folks disagree with, and suddenly he’s personna non grata instantly, and here we go again...

We’ve been so boned, bent-over and screwed, time after time by these people - people that we elect and/or expect to be opposition -(See Boehner, John, Toomey, Pat, etc) - that we’ll overlook things even though it’s right in our faces, just for the off-chance that someone actually IS who they portray themselves to be.

I admit I’m biased towards Mrs. Palin; as I’ve said before, I like her unabashed Americanism, it resonates with me as I’m sure it does with a lot of people. But that’s Sarah the citizen; Sarah the politician is different, and you don’t get to be a Governor without being a politician above all else.

But legalizing people who break into the country, take advantage of our tolerance, generosity, and compassion and then basically spit on my people, my culture, my heritage, and all that I hold dear and then try to force me to accept is flat-out wrong and unacceptable. If that’s what she - and Rubio, and others - is supporting, in the misguided hope that these foreigners will somehow magically vote Republican, then I can’t support her.

Like SJB said, RE supporting McCain:, yeah, I get that as well, and it goes back to what I said about playing the game. He put her on the national stage, so she probably feels she owes him. But - there comes a point where THAT debt has been paid off, and I think it’s long passed. McCain is wrong on so many points, and has shown himself to be nothing more than a Democrat tool that any further support of him just damages her credibility.

D-1, you said we should our own people to standards; I agree. A long time ago I said out here “No More RINOs”. I meant it. While I certainly don’t see Mrs Palin as a RINO, I will oppose her when I believe she is wrong, and support her when I believe her to be right.

On immigration, if she supports legalizing criminal behavior and rewarding those people with citizenship - and it IS a reward - she is absolutely wrong.

That’s about all I can say on it. I’ll leave further debate to ya’ll fine gentlemen.