Moments leading to fatal FBI shooting in Orlando still unclear (Todashev)

MyFoxOrlando ^ | 5/24/13 | Staff

[Haiku Guy]

An FBI incident review team from Washington, D.C., is in Orlando today, a day after a Russian man who knew Boston Marathon bombing suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev was shot dead by an agent.

Federal and Central Florida law enforcement agencies are still collecting and processing evidence from the shooting scene at a condominium complex on Peregrine Avenue, near Kirkman Road and Universal Orlando, where Ibragim Todashev was shot early Wednesday.

Initially, FBI officials said Todashev, 27, became violent and lunged at an agent with a knife while he was being questioned about Tsarnaev and an unsolved 2011 triple murder in the Boston suburb of Waltham. The agent, acting on an "imminent threat," then shot Todashev, they said.

However, later in the day, some of those officials had backed off that preliminary account, and it's no longer clear what happened in the moments before the fatal shooting, The Associated Press reported.

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[TomGuy]

I posted in the earliest threads:

My first though was the old movie title: The Man Who Knew Too Much.

The latest confusion re-enforces my first thought.

Some threads yesterday inserted confusion as to who was at fault because agents from several FED agencies and Boston Police were present, and they didn’t know who actually did the shooting.

Mr. Todashev was unable to comment on the incident.

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[Lady Heron]

I think they were probably careless because he appeared to be cooperating and he grabbed somebody’s gun or at least attempted to do so and was shot by one of them.

Then that would have been the cover story from the beginning.

It was a strange eyebrow raising story that made one wonder when it first came out and now with the story change it leaves one really questioning, especially with all the scandals going on. They have lost the believability factor.

[TomGuy]

However, later in the day, after several phone calls from the Obama thought police at the WHite House in Washington , D.C.

I was following the Boston Marathon bombing on local Boston TV and scanners via the internet.

I noted in the Live Thread that all of the sudden, about an hour into local news reports, the reporters started mentioning that their latest reports were based on 'information from Washington'.

Later in the day, at one presser, one 'official' commented that they would 'search through out the world, to the ends of the earth' to catch those behind the attack. I thought that a strange comment, considering all the other 'officials' were patting each other on the backs for all their great work.

[sergeantdave]

Why would the FBI give this guy a knife to sign a statement?

[Old Sarge]

I noted in the Live Thread that all of the sudden, about an hour into local news reports, the reporters started mentioning that their latest reports were based on 'information from Washington'.

Good catch. I was on the Live Thread most of that day, as well. The utter chaos of the media coverage was both entertaining, and instructive...

[Grampa Dave]

Excellent. Holder is probably the most dangerous traitor in DC. He enables Obozo and his Chicago mob to operate and spread their evil with no concerns about law or our constitution.

[RedMDer]

Holder needs to go so we can get to Obama, crime Inc.

[iopscusa]

What, have you forgotten the years that Whitey Bulger was an “informant” who managed to manipulate the FBI crooks in Boston engage in murder and racketeering for many years. One of the crooked FBI agents went to prison. Yet you are so naive that you believe the gov/media reports about anything much less the FBI and its likely patsythese Chechen tools.

[Uncle Miltie]

Why did the FBI start with a lie about a knife?

[Georgia Girl 2]

“They are even getting sloppy with the cover ups”

So true. This would never have happened on Billy Jeff’s watch. He knew what the meaning of “is” is.

I’m suprised they didn’t just say “he needed killin” :-)

[Uncle Miltie]

Plus, the dude was a mixed martial arts aficionado, preparing to sign his confession to murder of 3 Jews.

So how does the FBI let him get ahold of a knife in that situation?

Or, at least that was their first story.

Then, since that story has B.S. written all over it, they retract that story, and they’re busily making up a new one.

I wonder what line of B.S. they’ll lay on us next, since the first story was so patently stupid.

Do you still believe your betters at the FBI?

Or would it bear investigating the investigators until something that seems plausibly truthful emerges?

[Uncle Miltie]

"Two FBI agents involved with the Boston investigation, seemingly fell out of a helicopter last week, and died."

Do you have a link for that? I'm following this FBI B.S. closely. Thanks.

[Uncle Miltie]

So why did they start with the “knife” lie?

[livius]

I think you have to allow for the possibility of confusion before going straight for conspiracy.

I tend to think their approach -two Boston cops and one FBI agent, meeting by themselves with this guy in his apartment at night, supposedly - was risky and they probably got taken off guard by his attack because things seemed to be going ok.

I think the Boston police have actually been pursuing the murder case and possibly they had an FBI agent with them to see if the guy had also participated in the bombing. The FBI is famous for doing investigations in a different jurisdiction without informing the locals, so I wouldn’t read too much into that. And if they wanted to cover up his participation in the bombing, they wouldn’t have shot him before he signed the statement.

Another possibility is that he got hold of somebody’s gun, or possibly his own, and attempted to shoot himself rather than sign the statement.

All sorts of things are possible, I guess.

[UCANSEE2]

So why did they start with the “knife” lie?

Because they were too afraid to admit they got their *sses kicked by an unarmed man.

[Uncle Miltie]

Now that’s the first explanation I’ve seen that makes any sense at all.

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