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The Short Version-Lois Lerner's Blink and You'll Miss It Appearance at IRS Hearing with Richard Nixon
1 posted on 05/22/2013 10:21:23 AM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing

She is one mean looking broad. She would have fit right in with Stalin’s regime.


2 posted on 05/22/2013 10:22:19 AM PDT by miserare
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To: smoothsailing

She testified that she didn’t do anything wrong, and then said she wasn’t going to testify.


3 posted on 05/22/2013 10:25:13 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: smoothsailing

It’s my understanding that once you testify at all, you lose your ability to claim the fifth.

Wasn’t her opening statement an act of testifying?

To claim the fifth, she should have taken a pass on the statement she made, and simply said she couldn’t testify because it might be self-incriminating.


5 posted on 05/22/2013 10:27:34 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Funny thing happened on the way to the Constitution burning, Lefties rights were violated...)
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To: smoothsailing

I was watching that play out and saying to my self OMG Issa that was brilliant! He can now compel her to testify. She is an attorney she knew or should have known. They could hold her in contempt.


6 posted on 05/22/2013 10:27:48 AM PDT by Walkingfeather
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To: smoothsailing

To my mind and I’d dare say an honest prosecutor, judge and jury’s mind, an opening a statement that “I did nothing wrong, illegal or otherwise” is Testimony. Further invocations of protecting oneself from self-incrimination are of lesser standing.

Whether she answered questions or not, she was “on the stand” and her statements should be used against her at trial.


8 posted on 05/22/2013 10:31:32 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: smoothsailing

She did exactly as she was instructed.

And so did Issa.

Everyone did their job.

Well, maybe not Gowdy.

But that will be noted and dealt with when the opportunity presents itself.


10 posted on 05/22/2013 10:32:55 AM PDT by servo1969
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To: smoothsailing

Really?

Don`t get it yet?

” The law ( constitution ) is irrelevant ! “

They`re saying out loud what they`ve been practicing since FDR, the law/constitution is whatever they say it is. They will adhere to the law/constitution only when it serves their ideology.


11 posted on 05/22/2013 10:33:12 AM PDT by Para-Ord.45
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To: smoothsailing
I'm certainly no lawyer but if she was under oath at the time she stated "I have done nothing wrong...I have violated no laws" then those statements constitute sworn testimony and if she's ever convicted of having broken the law it seems that she can also be charged with perjury.Of course she refused to answer questions like "were you ever in contact with your superiors regarding irregular activities at the IRS?" and the American people can draw whatever conclusions they wish regarding her refusal.I,personally,would never fear *any* question put to me under oath if I knew (or even firmly believed) that I had done nothing wrong.OTOH,I'd definitely take the 5th if I was ever asked,under oath,if I had ever stolen a pack of gum from Woolworth's because I did...when I was 12.

Taking the 5th is something that people with something to hide...or something to fear....do.Innocent people don't do it...regardless of how vigorously they're advised to do so by lawyers or others.

Give her immunity...and then force her to sing.

15 posted on 05/22/2013 10:36:17 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Leno Was Right,They *Are* Undocumented Democrats!)
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To: smoothsailing

they are cheering in the WH just as they did on the streets throughout the Mideast after 9/11.


16 posted on 05/22/2013 10:37:48 AM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: smoothsailing

Lerner should dress in leathers, and take full advantage of her bulldyke persona.


21 posted on 05/22/2013 10:41:10 AM PDT by pallis
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To: smoothsailing

GIVE HER IMMUNITY

and then watch Osama Obama & Pals squirm

27 posted on 05/22/2013 10:43:52 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Leno Was Right,They *Are* Undocumented Democrats!)
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To: smoothsailing

Rush was saying today it really doesn’t matter.

She will get promoted after it all dies down, and nothing will happen.

When Rush says this, you know that the game is near over.


41 posted on 05/22/2013 10:59:44 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: smoothsailing

No doubt, this attorney told her that she was above the law just like the pos presbo and his enforcer, holder.


42 posted on 05/22/2013 11:00:08 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: smoothsailing

I want to know why they didn’t make her stay plead the 5th for a number of questions...e.g., did you communicate with WH, etc. It would have had a great impact on TV for a IRS official to repeatedly plead the 5th.

The dems would have done it if the shoe was on the other foot. Why the hell didn’t Issa and the republicans?!


43 posted on 05/22/2013 11:00:22 AM PDT by Miles the Slasher
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To: smoothsailing
"You don’t get to tell your side of the story and then not be subjected to cross-examination." Actually, you do. You can certainly pick and choose which questions you answer and which ones you invoke your 5th Amendment rights for and refuse to answer. The mistake was for the committee to permit her to make a statement without responding to any questions.
56 posted on 05/22/2013 11:20:48 AM PDT by RonF
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To: smoothsailing

Any answer she gives to any question, and anything in the content of her statement under oath CAN be used against her. But giving the statement does not mean that she waived her right to invoke the 5th amendment to any subsequent question.


59 posted on 05/22/2013 11:24:44 AM PDT by RonF
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To: smoothsailing

This might be a relevant case to consider for Issa’s actions:

Ohio v. Reiner (2001)
Link: http://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/532/17/case.pdf

In this case the defendant claimed she had violated no laws and then took the 5th. This was a “shaken baby syndrome” case.

The SCOTUS sided with her and noted that if a defendent believes they are innocent but believes that answering questions could incriminate themselves under ambiguous circumstances, then they are entitled to the 5th.

I disagree that the stigma associated with a dead baby applies to Lerner. I don’t think that there is a gray area with Lerner. But Issa was wise to avoid going there without a better review Ohio v. Reiner.


60 posted on 05/22/2013 11:29:39 AM PDT by kidd
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To: smoothsailing

She knew what she was doing. Yes, her opening statement will be purged, but none of the bells can be unrung.


72 posted on 05/22/2013 12:08:00 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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