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Heads won't roll at the IRS (protections for federal workers)
Politico ^ | May 22, 2013 | David Nather and Rachael Bade

Posted on 05/22/2013 5:02:23 AM PDT by Second Amendment First

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Life on the government teat.
1 posted on 05/22/2013 5:02:23 AM PDT by Second Amendment First
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2 posted on 05/22/2013 5:08:07 AM PDT by JoeProBono (Mille vocibus imago valet;-{)
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Now that’s public art I can support!


3 posted on 05/22/2013 5:08:58 AM PDT by Second Amendment First
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What the employees in question did at the IRS is not “business as usual.” They should not only be terminated, but tried in a court of law and put in jail.


4 posted on 05/22/2013 5:09:00 AM PDT by MNGal
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Fire them? How bout jail!

Nothing but a bunch of criminals. EVeRY LAST ONE OF THEM!


5 posted on 05/22/2013 5:09:42 AM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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When you make non-violent justice impossible...


6 posted on 05/22/2013 5:10:02 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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They can fire government employees if they want to.

“I’m sorry Mr. jones, but it appears that you took fifteen minutes and three seconds on your break. You are only allowed fifteen minutes. This is a violation of our work rules.....”.

It can be done. It’s just that the supervisors are also government employees. “Birds of a feather stick together.”


7 posted on 05/22/2013 5:10:24 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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Local grand juries should begin indicting Congresspeople
and Senators for
FAILING TO UPHOLD THE LAW AGAINST FELONIES.

A few convictions of misprision of felony in a couple of
states of Commonwealths ought wake up the treasonous
Congress that supports al Qaeda and Communism.


8 posted on 05/22/2013 5:10:31 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Vi veri veniversum vivus vici)
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The solution is simple. Don’t bother with termination. File charges against them and then see how bold the union is.


9 posted on 05/22/2013 5:10:33 AM PDT by william clark (Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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I can tell you from personal experience that firing a Government employee is almost impossible, but it can be done.

The trick is documentation. You must document everything.
Write it down officially.
What usually happens with a bad employee is that they transfer that employee somewhere else so that they don’t have to deal with them. That just leaves someone else to deal with the problem.

Some agencies have a board filled with loads that more or less pass a judgement on whether the charge placed against the offender is legitimate. Legitimate or not they can dismiss charges. And they do. But document enough work
mistakes and they have to act. Sometimes they act by moving the person making the charges. It’s a bitter merry go round to get on.


10 posted on 05/22/2013 5:13:27 AM PDT by Venturer
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How can they reprimand them (let alone fire them) when they were just doing what they were told to do by the higher-ups?


11 posted on 05/22/2013 5:14:02 AM PDT by livius
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To: Second Amendment First; stephenjohnbanker; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; Gilbo_3; Impy; NFHale; ...
RE :”Lawmakers pressing for more heads to roll at the Internal Revenue Service are going to be disappointed.
“Why weren’t more people fired?” Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus (D-Mont.) demanded at a hearing Tuesday on the IRS’s targeting of conservative groups, channeling the frustration of his colleagues.
Turns out it’s not so easy.
In fact, it appears that no one has been formally reprimanded and a spokesperson for the union representing IRS workers said it hasn’t been called to help any employees yet. Most employees involved in the targeting program are covered by protections for federal workers that could drag out the termination process. “

I know someone here who worked directly for NSA at Fort Meade and over the years he deteriorated due to his alcoholism and his bosses could not get rid of him no matter how useless he became, until he got arrested driving and then they pulled his clearance and finally could fire him.

Regardless of above, the GOP needs to keep publicly calling for firings on this to highlight the issue.

12 posted on 05/22/2013 5:16:33 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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Baucus was one of the creatures that implored the IRSS to hassle conservative groups. Now he is “investigating” it. What a disgraceful, gigantic, unfunny joke this whole thing is.


13 posted on 05/22/2013 5:17:08 AM PDT by cld51860 (Oderint dum metuant)
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Start at the bottom and make them too afraid to follow illegal orders.


14 posted on 05/22/2013 5:17:15 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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Appoint a special prosecutor. Arrest those with basis to suspect the crime. Hold trials to fairly judge guilt or innocence (more than the IRS Obamanites gave to the Tea-Party people). Let real justice be none.


15 posted on 05/22/2013 5:17:20 AM PDT by Rapscallion (In Benghazi they died; Obama, Clinton and Rice lied. God may forgive. I do not.)
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In “Chapterhouse Dune” Frank Herbert wrote:

“Power attracts the corruptible. Absolute power attracts the absolutely corruptible. This is the danger of entrenched bureaucracy to its subject population. Even the spoils systems are preferable because levels of tolerance are lower and the corrupt can be thrown out periodically. Entrenched bureaucracy seldom can be touched short of violence. Beware when Civil Service and Military join hands.”

I wrote the following when McCain Feingold was being considered:

The civil service was started to remove government employees from the influence of politicians. The result has been to remove them from the influence of the voters. One result of this has been ever lower voter turnouts in each successive election. A large proportion of the electorate sees no reason for voting, because it changes nothing, and they are largely correct. Changing the elected officials leaves in place the same bureaucrats that made the day-to-day policy decisions when the previous officials were in office.


16 posted on 05/22/2013 5:18:02 AM PDT by Daveinyork (."Trusting government with power and money is like trusting teenaged boys with whiskey and car keys,)
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Indeed! It would seem that any supervisor that would seriously log all incidents would not be considered a team player, and most likely, a rogue employee.


17 posted on 05/22/2013 5:20:40 AM PDT by Second Amendment First
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Oh boy. People who can’t be fired will be administering our health care.

When it’s money, people get irate enough. Think about the repercussions when it’s people dying.


18 posted on 05/22/2013 5:22:20 AM PDT by randita
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To: Diogenesis; sickoflibs; GOPJ; AuntB; Tennessee Nana; stephenjohnbanker; Grampa Dave
Local grand juries should begin indicting Congressional officeholders for FAILING TO UPHOLD THE LAW AGAINST FELONIES.

N-i-c-e take, Dio---those in office are supposed to adhere to a higher standard of law than we peons....but they are never held to account.

I urge Tea Party victims of the IRS to drop the logic----they need to factor in that they are dealing with cunning con artists. The Chi/mobsters in the WH have their con game down pat. These practiced WH con artists oozed out of the muck and mire of Chicago criminal politics and known every trick in the book.

SEEMS TO ME the con artists have a sub rosa unit deep in the bowels of the WH that surfs the net to chart the buzzwords conservatives are using to describe Ohaha---they then cunningly formulate their strategy based on our own buzzwords.

Ergo, FOX reporter Rosen is tagged as treasonous for merely doing his job---while Ohaha sits untouched atop a fetid pile of criminal wrongdoing.

19 posted on 05/22/2013 5:31:58 AM PDT by Liz (To learn who rules over you, determine who you are not allowed to criticize. Voltaire)
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The solution is simple. Don’t bother with termination. File charges against them and then see how bold the union is.


Agree. Let’s see how much the union likes defending the indefensible.


20 posted on 05/22/2013 5:32:20 AM PDT by patriotspride
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