Posted on 05/21/2013 8:10:25 AM PDT by Westbrook
S. 122: Fair Tax Act of 2013
Summary: A bill to promote freedom, fairness, and economic opportunity by repealing the income tax and other taxes, abolishing the Internal Revenue Service, and enacting a national sales tax to be administered primarily by the States.
More info ... http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s113-122
93% support out of 836 votes as of this post.
“To dream the impossible dream...”
Excellent idea. A number of people have pointed out over the years that the actual, limited, functions of the FedGov listed in Art 1 Sec 8 could be paid for almost entirely out of tariffs, impost duties, and user fees.
We’d literally need to “slit some throats” to get government cut back that far. They won’t let go of that power willingly.
> You’re too stupid to be voting!
Says a lot more about you than it does about me.
10%, and every proposal has been in th 20% or more range, plus 8% state sales tax is a whole lot more in taxes.
Anyone proposing a sales tax wants more money for government!
Eliminate all social programs, fire every government worker that administrates them and make everyone make their own way in this world or die and the Federal government won’t need the money.
Use the thousands of pages that instruct you how to avoid taxes or pay up!
You’re either lazy, stupid, or both!
> How about, abolish the IRS, don’t replace the income tax
> with anything, and just shut down the whole damned federal
> government?
That would be a dream come true.
But we gotta do it in steps. Incrementally. They way the Left has been dismantling the Republic for the last 100 years.
> Use the thousands of pages that instruct you how to avoid
> taxes or pay up!
What a good little government dooby you are. Be sure to read all of that nice IRS language, with just enough ambiguity to catch the few darlings that don’t correctly augur what the nice tax coder really meant to say.
> You’re either lazy, stupid, or both!
I’ll let this stand as its own indictment of your level of intellect and integrity.
23% was one of the NRST numbers and replaced State sales taxes.
Eliminate all social programs, fire every government worker that administrates them and make everyone make their own way in this world or die and the Federal government won’t need the money.
Yep. Not just "social" programs though. Anything not explicitly listed in Art 1 Sec 8 goes. Yes, including the FAA, FCC, DEA, DoE (both Energy and Education), NASA, and the Air Force.
Any legit functions those agencies do, like the Air Force, should be rolled back into other Constitutionally listed agencies or handed over to private consortium to be run like the IEEE in a truly free market.
“- Every sale has a receipt of some sort so it is easy to track activity if the tax is not paid.”
Exactly, and this listing on the receipt will be a reminder with every purchase just how much your government is costing you. Maybe more people will become desirous of smaller government.
The 16th amendment says "bullshit." And the IRS won't be going anywhere. You think an audit is intrusive and scary now? Wait until you have to prove you paid taxes on everything in your home.
> The 16th amendment says “bull****.”
The 16th amendment does not mandate an income tax. It authorizes Fedzilla to impose it.
Fedzilla can choose to impose a sales tax instead.
> And the IRS won’t be going anywhere.
Sadly, I think you may be correct.
However, there’s never been a better time to call for the abolition of the IRS. If nothing else, it can have the effect of defanging the leviathan and perhaps even reducing its size.
Even more hopeful is the outcry to remove the IRS from 0bama-care.
> You think an audit is intrusive and scary now? Wait until
> you have to prove you paid taxes on everything in your
> home.
A much easier thing to do with Point-of-Sale receipts and easily obtainable credit/debit card records than it is to gather records for donations to myriad 501-3c organizations.
You will be keeping receipts for big-ticket items anyway, if only for warranty service.
I don’t want any part of it. This will be in place for a year tops before they decide to outlaw cash. I’m no bible scholar but I remember there being something about not being able to buy or sell without a certain number. Doesn’t sound like something I want to sign up for.
To introduce a national sales tax without a simultaneous repeal of the income tax amendment is to recommend treason.
Anyone who honestly believes that once the politicians have successfully implemented a national sales tax, they will then voluntarily do what is needed to repeal a constitutional amendment (2/3 vote in each house of Congress, ratification by THREE-QUARTERS of the states) just hasn't thought it through.
Just abolish the income tax, abolish the IRS, let the chips fall where they may.
sitetest
The NRST laws in the past said they wouldn’t/couldn’t take effect until the repeal of the 16th.
I don't think that's correct. I remember the debates here on FR from a few years ago, and I remember being told by advocates of a national sales tax that my insistence on repeal first, then implementation of the new tax, was unrealistic, even impossible.
In any event, with that trigger, it isn't going to happen with our present sociopolitical reality. There are currently more than enough blue states to block the ending of the redistribution of wealth, and plenty of purplish states to provide more than a margin for error.
Something like a thirty-year depression, or a second civil war might change that political reality, but, then again, maybe not.
Instead, what will happen is that if such a law is passed, it will languish, unexecuted, since the income tax amendment will not be repealed. Then folks will look to amend the national sales tax law to go into effect "in the interim," "in the short-term," "while we continue our efforts to repeal the 16th amendment."
And like as not, the dammocraps will con enough stupid Republicans (but I repeat myself) into going along with that.
sitetest
That's not what that clause means.
Please let your Senators and Congressman know how you feel about the IRS,The same ones we let know how we feel about illegal immigration?
No, no new amendment is necessary. The 16thg amendment was necessary, because it was a tax on individual income, not on the states.States (and local governments) would pay federal sales taxes to the Treasury for every one of their purchases as well as taxes on the wages, salaries and benefits of their employees.
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