Posted on 05/21/2013 8:10:25 AM PDT by Westbrook
S. 122: Fair Tax Act of 2013
Summary: A bill to promote freedom, fairness, and economic opportunity by repealing the income tax and other taxes, abolishing the Internal Revenue Service, and enacting a national sales tax to be administered primarily by the States.
More info ... http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s113-122
93% support out of 836 votes as of this post.
Let them know that an income tax was always unconstitutional.
There is no need to repeal the 16th Amendment in order to pass this bill, as the 16th only authorizes Fedzilla to tax income, it does not require the beast to do so.
The 16th can be repealed by another measure, which we should all let our congressional delegations know that we vigorously support.
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> The problem is that you’re going to end up with a national
> sales tax and a Federal income tax.
No. The bill abolishes the income tax AND the IRS.
I’m all for the Fair Tax, but only if the 16th Amendment can be repealed. I don’t trust this government as far as I can throw it.
The irs is not going away. It is the way the government steals money from productive people and gives it to indolent slobs who vote democrat.
It is over half minority, making it one of the biggest welfare organizations around.
It implements laws passed by congress to bring about social change.
Replace it with a national sales VAT tax, and in 5 years we will have both a VAT and an income tax, and both will be used for political purposes.
Not unless the bill bases implementation of the fair tax contingent on repeal of the 16th amendment.
> Dont you need another amendment authorizing the Feds to
> collect a sales tax, even if the delegate the operations to
> the states?
No, no new amendment is necessary. The 16thg amendment was necessary, because it was a tax on individual income, not on the states.
That's a fact Jack!
Make new tax, but keep the old. One is silver and the others gold.
They need to publish how much money could be saved by doing this. The IRS alone has over 120,000 employees. Or we could abolish the IRS and put them all on the border where they could shoot paper clips at illegal aliens.
> The irs is not going away.
Right now a LOT of people are angry with the IRS, even liberals.
Recent abuses have opened up old wounds. Virtually everybody knows somebody who was abused by the IRS.
Now is the time to strike.
Let’s not allow this crisis to go to waste.
Congress and the federal government should be stripped of the authority to tax individuals. Rather, via apportionment, should only tax the States.
One possible example of how this would work would be to have Congress determine how much tax revenue they will raise via taxes. Then an automatic formula determines how much each state is apportioned. I would advocate for splitting the cost into two buckets, one for the House and one for the Senate. The Senate bucket gets divided by the total number of Senators and each state is apportioned the amount for two Senators. Likewise, the House portion is divided by the number of representatives and each state is apportioned the amount of each Representative times the number of Representatives. States are then left to their own devices as to how to raise that money to pay their apportioned taxes. States with high volumes of natural resources may opt to tax the mining and sale of those resources to pay for their state taxes. Others may wish to use sales taxes or property taxes ... whatever.
This would require a system of punishments for enforcement. This could include things like the loss of votes in committees or perhaps even the loss of votes on the floor.
Exactly. The congress has been corrupted by the lust for power and in case many STILL have not noticed they aren’t above taxing the hell out of people to buy enough votes to stay in power.
This was going to be my question but since you have answered it I will ask the next one (I believe) that should be asked: Shouldn't the 16th be repealed anyway, to ensure the Income Tax can never return?
YEPPERS
That is something that all the FairTax people just don't get -- or maybe they do and don't want to admit it.
Once the government gets its hand in one pocket it doesn't let go.
The Fairtax people are just offering the government another pocket to reach into and they will be more than happy to do it as they have a lot of hands willing to grasp at what's in there.
I hope that’s the way it goes, but there will be amendments and it will end up something entirely different. Also, the “prebate” the Fair Tax uses is something that the politicians can play around with. Given that they are giving my money away so deadbeats can have cell phones, I don’t trust them with setting the prebate. If it were me, I’d use Friedman’s 17% flat tax rate after a $20,000 personal exemption...that’s it. The entire tax code would fit on a postcard. I would even go further: If you didn’t pay any Federal taxes in the current year, you can’t vote in any federal elections—nothing in the game, you can’t play. (I’d make a horrible President, but a great dictator.)
> Shouldn’t the 16th be repealed anyway, to ensure the Income
> Tax can never return?
ABSOLUTELY!!
When you write your senators in support of S 122, be sure to mention that.
I did.
Repeal the 16th Amendment and this bill also becomes unconstitutional since it is not levied in direct proportion to the census.
> I’d use Friedman’s 17% flat tax rate after a $20,000
> personal exemption...that’s it. The entire tax code would
> fit on a postcard.
Yes, but you would still be subject to the abuses and vicissitudes of the IRS.
The IRS must be eliminated, or reduced to collecting taxes from the states, preferably based on spending (sales tax), not manufacturing (no to VAT), and not income.
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