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Are Assault Rifles Strictly Weapons of War?
American Spectator ^ | 4.3.13 | LUCA GATTONI-CELLI

Posted on 04/04/2013 10:31:15 AM PDT by neverdem

The answers are far from simple, and lie in American constitutional and military history.

A key narrative in the push to ban assault weapons is that they are exceptionally powerful, firing rounds with a special capacity to pierce body armor and pulverize human bodies. The AR-15 infamously used in the Sandy Hook massacre fires the same 5.56x45mm NATO ammunition as its cousin the M16. The “NATO” designation seems to validate Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) and company’s fear that these are military weapons which do not belong in the hands of civilians. The language of the Second Amendment and historical context in which it was conceived fundamentally undermine this logic:

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

The Bill of Rights was adopted as a precaution against tyrannical government, with the Second Amendment democratizing military force. The Framers believed that citizens should have access to the military hardware they themselves would use to defend the homeland against tyranny, foreign or domestic, as members of militias. Whether this standard applies to artillery (reasonable persons may differ), it surely includes firearms. If anything, an originalist interpretation of the Constitution privileges the right to keep and bear arms suitable for militia service.

Progressives counter that the homeland has long been protected by a standing army. In their view, the right to keep and bear arms was confirmed strictly in the interest of military preparedness. No less than the Father of the Constitution expressly warned against a standing army. James Madison spent many months before the Constitutional Convention studying the history of governments. As he said to that body:

A standing military force, with an overgrown Executive will not long be safe companions...

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It is still legal to own some cannons. Machine guns were legal until about the 30’s. In the 1800,s the westerners built forts and armed them with what they could afford. Some riverboats and steam boats had cannons. The low information crowd does not know a magazine form a clip or a belt. The want to ban M1 carbine because it can hold a 30 round magazine and is semi-automatic. A M1 Garand can out fire a M14 and the 30-06 is several times more powerful than the 30 carbine. We are ruled by the vain and ignorant.
21 posted on 04/04/2013 10:45:54 AM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: neverdem

There are reasons the ComDems want to eliminate ARs and AKs.

They can be made in modest machine shops from a few castings and the parts are available in many places. Standard design.

These are a version of the weapons that the military train with. They are light, accurate, large enough to kill a man and are pretty reliable.

There are a lot of civilian style weapons that have a lot more knock down, range and accuracy. So this is about something other than being powerful.

I don’t own one, but would love to own an old M1. That heavy beast is a military weapon. Long range, accurate, reliable and powerful.


22 posted on 04/04/2013 10:46:48 AM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: neverdem

Considering the DHS is buying Ars and calling them defensive weapons, one wonders why the government says that and then turns around to go apestuffincrazy over civilians owning the same DEFENSIVE weapons?


23 posted on 04/04/2013 10:48:12 AM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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To: neverdem
The answers are far from simple

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Not so. The answer is quite simple; it becomes difficult only when intentionally misinterpreted, due to the mental contortions one must perform to distort the intended meaning.

24 posted on 04/04/2013 10:48:41 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Tijeras_Slim
.308 and 30-06 are 7.62 in diameter, 7.62 millimeters. the nato spec for a .308 round is 7.62 x 55 I think and the 30-06 is 7.62 by 65 MM.
25 posted on 04/04/2013 10:51:36 AM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: neverdem
To a LibTurd anti 2d Amendment types the rifled long rifle used in the Revelutionary war was too, but it came originally with the farmers of the day.
26 posted on 04/04/2013 10:51:39 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: neverdem

crimials and police don’t think so.


27 posted on 04/04/2013 10:52:19 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

Last time I checked, if you have the money you can buy a Barrett 50BMG with no legal issues here in TX.

Don’t have the money to spend on one, but would love to.


28 posted on 04/04/2013 10:52:45 AM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: Texas Fossil

I am, for the time being, a long time resident of Massachusetts so my knowledge of what is and is not allowable or easily available are clearly somewhat skewed.


29 posted on 04/04/2013 10:54:28 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (For me, I plan to die standing as a free man rather than spend one second on my knees as a slave.)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

And then there’s the Mosin Nagants...


30 posted on 04/04/2013 10:54:40 AM PDT by humblegunner
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To: neverdem

If someone has the knowledge and time, maybe they could list most, if not all, of the calibers that have their origins in warfare and have been used as military calibers?


31 posted on 04/04/2013 10:55:08 AM PDT by Parmy
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To: neverdem

“The answers are far from simple, and lie in American constitutional and military history.”

Perhaps, but the answer is still irrelevant, as far as the 2nd amendment is concerned. Arms means weapons of war, so we have a right to bear them.


32 posted on 04/04/2013 10:55:49 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: ClearCase_guy

Back in the 1870s you would find a trail drive’s drovers better armed than a cavalry platoon. And on rivers from the Ohio to the Missouri flatboats would routinely have swivel cannon as defense against river pirates. And more importantly we are approaching the 238th anniversary of Lexinton and Concord. Do people remember why the British Light infantry andRoyal Marines were marching toward Concord that April Morning? To confiscate the arms of the provisional militia which were stored at Concord and which included wheeled cannon.


33 posted on 04/04/2013 10:57:28 AM PDT by xkaydet65
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To: mountainlion

.308 = 7.62x51


34 posted on 04/04/2013 10:57:43 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: pfflier
By using the above logic, the bolt action rifle is also a "military weapon".

Don't give the gun-grabbers any new ideas like that!

35 posted on 04/04/2013 10:58:09 AM PDT by Bernard Marx
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To: neverdem
So what is an assault weapon anyway? WW2 they used Thompson machine guns and grease guns, and M1 Garands to charge the enemy positions. The idea was to keep the defenders heads down while they were making an assault. Later some used the M60 machine gun and full auto m14s and full auto M16s to assault a position. Now they have SAW machine guns. I think SAW stands for Squat Assault Weapon. It replaces the M60. Confusion is the weapon of the enemy of freedom. They confuse facts to lower the bar for the low information crowd.
36 posted on 04/04/2013 11:00:04 AM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: Bernard Marx

Sorry, I was confusing logic with their version of reality. A BB gun has more magazine capacity that the bolt action rifle too...


37 posted on 04/04/2013 11:02:05 AM PDT by pfflier
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To: Tijeras_Slim

I should not have said NATO 7.62, only 7.62.


38 posted on 04/04/2013 11:03:02 AM PDT by pfflier
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To: Tijeras_Slim
308 = 7.62x51

Thanks. I forgot. I think 50 BMG is 12.7 x 98MM

39 posted on 04/04/2013 11:03:37 AM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: humblegunner
And then there’s the Mosin Nagants...

Everybody seems to have one.

40 posted on 04/04/2013 11:03:47 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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