Posted on 04/02/2013 6:51:34 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
Ed Morrisseyflagged this Politico piece earlier but I want to pay special attention to Huck's comments. Gabe Malor called BS on them on Twitter this morning. I think he's right. Huckabee's latest shot across the party establishment's bow:
“The last two presidential elections, we had more moderate candidates, so if anything a lot of conservatives went to the polls reluctantly or just didn’t go at all,” said Huckabee in a separate interview. “If all of the evangelicals had showed up, it may have made a difference.”…
Huckabee, like Santorum, was a bit incredulous at the attempt to fault social conservatives when the party nominated two individuals who largely shunned talk of culture in the general election and were uncomfortable when they had to discuss issues like abortion.
“Nobody would say that these were guys that just light ’em up at the National Right to Life Convention,” cracked Huckabee.
In other words, lower social-con turnout for Romney last year proved that the party’s already on thin ice. Move any further to the center on, say, gay marriage and who knows what might happen? Just one problem: Unless I missed something, social-con turnout for Romney wasn’t lower. On the contrary, after months of liberal concern-trolling that conservative Christians might not show up on election day for a Mormon, evangelicals gave Romney the best turnout among their demographic that any modern GOP candidate has seen. Remember this exit-poll comparison published by Pew a few days after the election?
Not only did Romney match Bush’s share of white evangelicals from 2004, when Dubya and Rove famously used the gay-marriage issue to mobilize social cons, he actually did ever so slightly better among evangelicals than he did with Mormons. But wait: To say that Mitt matched Bush’s share isn’t to say that the same number of evangelicals turned out for both. It could be that 20 million voted in 2004 versus only 10 million in 2012, with the GOP nominee winning 79 percent of each. Is that what happened? According to the exit polls, no. In 2004, white evangelicals made up 23 percent of an electorate composed of more than 122 million voters; last year, they made up 26 percent of an electorate consisting of more than 127 million voters. As a share of the electorate and of total voters, Romney actually improved on Bush’s performance. The only way Huck is right is if the rate of growth among the white evangelical population between 2004 and 2012 should have pointed to even greater turnout last year than what we saw. I haven’t seen any data to that effect but I’m willing to be corrected.
If Huck is right that Romney’s too moderate for social conservatives’ liking, why’d they turn out for him in such high numbers? Simple: They’re not single-issue voters. Skim through the graphs compiled by the NYT’s Thomas Edsall a few days ago. On subjects like harmful government regulations and strong defense, white evangelicals top white mainline Protestants and white Catholics. They’re conservative more or less across the board, which is what the party establishment’s counting on if the nominee has to finesse the issue of SSM with a federalism dodge three years from now. The X factor is whether Huckabee, Santorum, or some other prominent social conservative pol will turn gay marriage into a litmus test. That’s what was missing from 2012 — maybe evangelical turnout for Romney would have been lower if Huck had agitated against him by reminding voters of his pro-choice past. But he didn’t. Social conservatives were roundly unified behind Mitt in the interest of defeating O, even when they denounced him as being the lesser of two evils. The one silver lining for the GOP in potentially having to face Hillary in 2016 is that she’s sufficiently polarizing to maybe keep social conservatives in the Republican tent even if they’re unhappy with the nominee’s position on SSM. With a lesser known Democratic nominee, the impetus to unite and defeat the great liberal threat might not be as strong.
So you know that Protestants already vote republican.
You know that Catholics already vote anti-republican.
You know that the democrats are importing millions of Catholic voters, and have been for years, what effect do you think that will have on the pro-life movement and our success in politics?
The late 15th and early 16th were particularly difficult ~ Latin had a fixed spelling but maybe a dozen versions of Gallo were spoken in France and in the English court, and lord only knows what they spoke in Scotland in those days ~ or how they spelled it.
Normal fistfighting hard drinking gentlemen began letters to each other with "My dearest" and "My love" ~ with totally different meanings than you can imagine today.
FWIW, both Santorum and Gingrich are Catholic; the best primary candidates we had at the time.
Indeed, and sleeping in group situations with other men was not at all uncommon - as with Lincoln - it implied nothing in terms of sex.
But with King James there are multiple independent lines of evidence that he was homosexual. They had the contemporaneous saying “Elizabeth was King, now James is Queen”, we have the numerous male “favorites” of the King, we have the (recently discovered) secret passage between his bedroom and his “favorite”, we have contemporaneous reports of him calling another man “wife” and he calling James “husband”, we have contemporaneous reports of them kissing in public (and not the kiss on the cheek that was common(and still is in some cultures)- but a noteworthy kiss), and we have records of the letters he wrote to his male lovers, and we have the fact that he was buried between two of his male lovers.
Against all that we have your condemnation of any historical record as spotty and circumspect; thus your decision to ignore any and all evidence that doesn’t fit what you wish to believe.
http://muse.jhu.edu/books/9781587292729
What can we know of the private lives of early British sovereigns? Through the unusually large number of letters that survive from King James VI of Scotland/James I of England (1566-1625), we can know a great deal. Using original letters, primarily from the British Library and the National Library of Scotland, David Bergeron creatively argues that James’ correspondence with certain men in his court constitutes a gospel of homoerotic desire. Bergeron grounds his provocative study on an examination of the tradition of letter writing during the Renaissance and draws a connection between homosexual desire and letter writing
Fires were common in public buildings anywhere documents by, about, pertaining to, or even rumored to be associated with ANY wealthy and/or powerful public person were located.
Sweden, famous for being among the first nations to adopt standard Civil Registration, and centralization of records suffered a disastrous loss of virtually all of its national history from the 1530s on when the “Tre Kronor” castle burned down in 1697. They are only now recovering ~ thanks to the Internet people are able to post all their personal materials.
As a result of that particular fire, NOTHING of consequence is truly known about the nieuwe Sverge colony ~ and it's been little more than a decade since a passenger list for the Kalmar Nikel (First shipload of settlers) was discovered! 5 Swedish Swedes and 95 families of Finn ~ at that time meaning Sa'ami or Lapplander. Fantastic news for folks trying to find the first Swedes in America ~ or maybe the second since a bunch of Swedes were hired on as surveyors by agents working for Filipe II/III back at the turn of the century ~ and a couple of them show up in the Jamestown Booke of the LIvinge and the Deade ~ with a date earlier than any of the other folks around them. That's as good as finding Snoori in your genealogy.
Between those few items the entire early history of Swedes in British America was only imagined. Now we know more. As the Swedes acquire their records, and put them on the net, we'll know more, and of course, one of the fellows we'll know more about is King James, Filipe's relative and childhood playmate. BTW, he grew up to be a fop himself. Fancy clothes, modern attitudes, and all the money in the world.
BTW, those burned Swedish records included plenty of material on King James I am sure.
Yeah I am just SURE that both the national library of Scotland and the library of England were fooled by fake letters! /s
Why not just admit you were wrong? King James was homosexual, he didn’t try to hide it, it was a matter of public record, and his letters were ultra gay. Almost as gay as your crackpottery.
As Babs Tuchman said,"“The fact of being reported multiplies the apparent extent of any deplorable development by five- to tenfold.” ― Barbara W. Tuchman, A Distant Mirror: The Calamitous 14th Century "
Looking at the English and Spanish rivalry in the 16th and 17th century, and the total melt down on the Continent in the 17th century's 30 years war, all that propaganda continues to make more of an impression than the actual records ~ which were burned!
The holy rollers are converting a good 25 to 30% of those new moveins within 5 years.
Why do you use a leftist anti-religious slur against them, it seems like you love to call people holy rollers.
Your statistics are wrong anyway.
why are you so impertinent ~ i even have relatives who are holy rollers ~ bet you do too
Not only are your statistics wrong, but you do insist on using insulting name calling against them, and I am not aware of any family members of that persuasion.
You are just thoroughly wrong on your post, and I don’t know what your point was supposed to be except to insult religious people.
It's like that white racist on MSNBC, Matthews, complaining about white people all the time.
I imagine it’s easy for a crackpot to believe anything they want no matter how much evidence they have to ignore.
I’m arguing that Protestants in general are less likely to vote Republican than White Catholics. If it’s about the faith and not the race, you would be honest and admit that the problem isn’t Catholicism.
How does your obsession with racial purity within the Catholic church help conservatism, it is the Catholic vote that matters and that has only gone republican 5 times in history, and only once against an incumbent democrat, and while the whites who haven’t left the denomination yet have started voting a little more republican, it doesn’t change the Catholic vote.
“Protestant” includes all kinds of people and denominations, including the black vote and purely liberal denominations, yet the category has only voted democrat 3 times in our history, and 2 of those were 1932 and 1936, the category of “white Protestant” is very republican with numbers that blow away the “white Catholic” vote, “Evangelical” Protestants are extraordinarily pro-life and republican voters at 79%, America’s second largest denomination (Southern Baptist) in size to the Catholics, votes 80% and higher republican.
It does no good to see a recent shift among the whites of the Catholic denomination when we are importing Catholics by the millions from more pure Catholic nations than America has ever been, Catholics who have not been contaminated by growing up in a Protestant culture and with Protestant neighbors.
last thing you ought to be doing is accepting Wikipedia as a SOURCE for what words mean for any purpose.
Everyone knows that “holy roller” is an insult, you know it as well and it is why you use it so frequently.
It doesn’t help that your post was all wrong factually anyway, you just wanted/want to make the anti-religious insult it seems.
It’s merely a demonstration that your screed that “Catholics are responsible for electing Obama” is false.
Even if you were to remove Catholics from the electorate altogether, Obama would still win.
The same is not true of the reverse. The last time the Republicans won, they won the Catholic vote. It’s becoming very apparent to me that if the Republicans are going to win, they have to win the Catholic vote.
So go on, alienate Catholics.
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