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To: muawiyah

Indeed, and sleeping in group situations with other men was not at all uncommon - as with Lincoln - it implied nothing in terms of sex.

But with King James there are multiple independent lines of evidence that he was homosexual. They had the contemporaneous saying “Elizabeth was King, now James is Queen”, we have the numerous male “favorites” of the King, we have the (recently discovered) secret passage between his bedroom and his “favorite”, we have contemporaneous reports of him calling another man “wife” and he calling James “husband”, we have contemporaneous reports of them kissing in public (and not the kiss on the cheek that was common(and still is in some cultures)- but a noteworthy kiss), and we have records of the letters he wrote to his male lovers, and we have the fact that he was buried between two of his male lovers.

Against all that we have your condemnation of any historical record as spotty and circumspect; thus your decision to ignore any and all evidence that doesn’t fit what you wish to believe.


124 posted on 04/02/2013 2:19:10 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: allmendream
Counterfeiting and forgery were far from uncommon in that period ~ hence the use of special seals, and even wax, to authenticate things.

Fires were common in public buildings anywhere documents by, about, pertaining to, or even rumored to be associated with ANY wealthy and/or powerful public person were located.

Sweden, famous for being among the first nations to adopt standard Civil Registration, and centralization of records suffered a disastrous loss of virtually all of its national history from the 1530s on when the “Tre Kronor” castle burned down in 1697. They are only now recovering ~ thanks to the Internet people are able to post all their personal materials.

As a result of that particular fire, NOTHING of consequence is truly known about the nieuwe Sverge colony ~ and it's been little more than a decade since a passenger list for the Kalmar Nikel (First shipload of settlers) was discovered! 5 Swedish Swedes and 95 families of Finn ~ at that time meaning Sa'ami or Lapplander. Fantastic news for folks trying to find the first Swedes in America ~ or maybe the second since a bunch of Swedes were hired on as surveyors by agents working for Filipe II/III back at the turn of the century ~ and a couple of them show up in the Jamestown Booke of the LIvinge and the Deade ~ with a date earlier than any of the other folks around them. That's as good as finding Snoori in your genealogy.

Between those few items the entire early history of Swedes in British America was only imagined. Now we know more. As the Swedes acquire their records, and put them on the net, we'll know more, and of course, one of the fellows we'll know more about is King James, Filipe's relative and childhood playmate. BTW, he grew up to be a fop himself. Fancy clothes, modern attitudes, and all the money in the world.

BTW, those burned Swedish records included plenty of material on King James I am sure.

126 posted on 04/02/2013 5:05:06 PM PDT by muawiyah
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