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To: allmendream
There are few really sound pieces of evidence about anything left over from the 16th and 17th centuries. Treaties were usually produced in more than one language, copies made, and they were passed around. We actually have documents we can match up against each other.

The late 15th and early 16th were particularly difficult ~ Latin had a fixed spelling but maybe a dozen versions of Gallo were spoken in France and in the English court, and lord only knows what they spoke in Scotland in those days ~ or how they spelled it.

Normal fistfighting hard drinking gentlemen began letters to each other with "My dearest" and "My love" ~ with totally different meanings than you can imagine today.

122 posted on 04/02/2013 2:11:57 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

Indeed, and sleeping in group situations with other men was not at all uncommon - as with Lincoln - it implied nothing in terms of sex.

But with King James there are multiple independent lines of evidence that he was homosexual. They had the contemporaneous saying “Elizabeth was King, now James is Queen”, we have the numerous male “favorites” of the King, we have the (recently discovered) secret passage between his bedroom and his “favorite”, we have contemporaneous reports of him calling another man “wife” and he calling James “husband”, we have contemporaneous reports of them kissing in public (and not the kiss on the cheek that was common(and still is in some cultures)- but a noteworthy kiss), and we have records of the letters he wrote to his male lovers, and we have the fact that he was buried between two of his male lovers.

Against all that we have your condemnation of any historical record as spotty and circumspect; thus your decision to ignore any and all evidence that doesn’t fit what you wish to believe.


124 posted on 04/02/2013 2:19:10 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: muawiyah

http://muse.jhu.edu/books/9781587292729

What can we know of the private lives of early British sovereigns? Through the unusually large number of letters that survive from King James VI of Scotland/James I of England (1566-1625), we can know a great deal. Using original letters, primarily from the British Library and the National Library of Scotland, David Bergeron creatively argues that James’ correspondence with certain men in his court constitutes a gospel of homoerotic desire. Bergeron grounds his provocative study on an examination of the tradition of letter writing during the Renaissance and draws a connection between homosexual desire and letter writing


125 posted on 04/02/2013 2:46:08 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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