Posted on 03/22/2013 8:51:10 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
According to this writer, what they don't like is moral norms, which come from outside the individual - indeed, outside the State - and apply to everyone, regardless of how any individual feels about them.
We just have this crazy notion that the government shouldn't need to be mommy & daddy & R. Lee Ermy to a citizenry of grown adults.
The man wants MINIMAL government involvement in deciding how an individual runs his life.
He isn’t saying that there should be no moral judgments at all. He just does not want the government making laws outlawing certain kinds of behavior that does not harm to others (e.g. marijuana ).
Having said that, I don’t think you can ran a society or a country without acknowledging SOME moral norms. It might be influenced by Christian, Muslim or Ayn Randian ideas, but you cannot avoid it.
Where the hell does that come from? I just don’t want moral judgements handed down to me from the ruling elite.
Moral norms are there for a reason. There is a reason we don’t think incest is a good idea.
Everyone makes moral judgments...they’re just not always the same.
A surprisingly pathetic analysis of libertarianism in light of the extreme degrees of statism being established before our eyes.
>> But it’s time to start swatting away random accusations of libertarians as nihilists simply because we don’t sign on to every given moralistic agenda that is proposed or enacted in the name of the greater good.
Examples, Nick? Abortion, homosexual “marriage”? The former killing nascent human life; the latter requiring law to enforce compliance. A true libertarian is for the life of the unborn and opposes any law that forces citizens to service and support homosexuality.
Feel free to embrace your liberalism, Nick, but libertarianism is about enforcement, not morality.
This person will not toss the god talk and judgments at them from the right, or the PC “the village†caused this and will take care of it from the left. This person will say OK it is yours, you take care of it. I do not feel it is my responsibility to pay for your mistake or support this child for the next 18 years.
The biggest motivation for finding a job is hunger.
You got it, I am one of those people. If you feed the feral Americans forever and provide them with medical and housing then they will fail in taking care of them selves. We are proving this as I type.
This will be a fun thread.
How do you get from this statement of the author's to "The man wants MINIMAL government involvement ..."?
I don't suppose for a minute that he's speaking for everyone who identifies himself as "libertarian," but it seems to me that "proliferation of moral judgments" translates to "no moral norms or standards," simply as a matter of philosophy.
Gillespie conflated the very things he should have distinguished; specifically, enforcement and morality.
No matter how one cuts the pie, in practice the “Libertarian” position, devolves down to maximizing personal pleasure and the exercise of power over others.
I believe the author would argue that, if incest is your way of being in the world, then that is your moral judgment, and it is just as valid as anyone else's moral judgment and way of being in the world.
Libertarians (at least small-l libertarians) want a GOVERNMENT that stays out of private matters, and specifically PERMITS individuals and companies to MAKE MORAL JUDGMENTS.
For example, the libertarian position is to support the right of a motel owner to refuse to rent to sodomites.
People confuddle government and private actors.
No, to allowing individuals to make that choice, or not, free of government coercion.
and the exercise of power over others.
Sounds like hogwash to me - how exactly does libertarianism do that?
ah yes, the lies... you will know good and evil, actually, you can DEFINE good and evil for yourself, because you are a god...
Every man's way is right in his own eyes... Prov 21:2
It surprises me that so few people mention this point, especially among "libertarians." Under our present laws, any pair (or group) of people can live together, own property together, and designate one another as heirs or attorneys-in-fact. They can have a wedding ceremony performed by a variety of celebrants, religious and non-, if they choose, or simply draw themselves a certificate.
There is no liberty interest in the homosexual "marriage" movement. It is an authoritarian position, dedicated to using the police power of the state to force others to act against their moral or pragmatic beliefs about certain kinds of behavior.
>> “proliferation of moral judgments”
This is a bizarre example given it requires moral judgment to deem other moral judgments unacceptable.
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