Posted on 01/26/2013 8:46:52 AM PST by bray
Were you a slave when you were called? Dont let it trouble youalthough if you can gain your Freedom, do so. 1 Cor 7:21
Why do we assume scientists are always right? It seems we are being scammed by some of the shiftiest salesmen on the planet beginning with their most questionable foundation of evolution. While they are intimidating and ridiculing Christians for their belief in an all powerful God, they are promoting a theory that has not made any progress in over a hundred and fifty years. This failure happened in spite of every scientist on the planet attempting to discover the holy grail of science, that elusive missing link between monkey and man.
Darwin invented this theory by the logical observations that every animal and plant seems to have a similarity and connection making an obvious chain from one animal to the next. His theory as everyone knows has life beginning randomly in a primordial soup forming the first life forms billions of years ago. Never mind this huge hole in the theory of how life could be formed in a soup that was previously sterilized at over a thousand degrees, you just accept it without explanation or even the slightest bit of logic. This crater is so big that the Darwinists eliminated it from their discussion and saying how it occurred is no longer part of evolution which is like saying starting the car has nothing to do with your destination?
In 1859 Darwin questioned his own theory in his book Origin of Species when he wrote, ...as this process of extermination [survival of the fittest] has acted on an enormous scale, so must the number of intermediate varieties, which have formerly existed on the earth, be truly enormous. Why then is not every geological formation and every stratum full of such intermediate links? Geology assuredly does not reveal any such finely graduated organic chain; and this, perhaps, is the most obvious and gravest objection which can be urged against my theory. The explanation lies, as I believe, in the extreme imperfection of the geological record.
If he asked that question in todays scientific community he would be called a denier and would be tossed out of the scientific community. After a century and a half it should be time for the scientific community to answer that basic question. Shouldnt these archeologists be swimming in transitory species fossils yet they have not found any which can be confirmed.
Now if you simply ask the question of where life began you will soon be vilified and called a Bible thumping Neanderthal or as they would call it, the missing link. From the magic of life appearing forward evolutionists are very comfortable, since life forms have a continuity they can observe and theorize. First there were bacteria which formed into amoebas which evolved into plankton and then fish since they all occur in the ocean and live as well as adapt similarly to each other. There are no explanations of how or why they simply changed from single cells into fish other than you simply need to have faith in random defects turning into superior species rather than inferior or that it can be repeated, you just accept it.
The next step of evolution is moving from the ocean and onto the land which of course was the evolution of whales and whale type creatures which eventually became reptiles. The reptiles ruled the earth as dinosaurs for millions and millions of years until a random ice age happened which wiped them out instantly. This is where it becomes dicey since they are not sure the mammals developed while the dinosaurs were eating them and vice versa since the evolution from reptile to mammal is such a giant leap. Once again we have no transitory species or fossils of those species which makes you have to wonder why no examples of these defective reptiles becoming pure land creatures. You simply take another scientific leap of faith.
The other problem the Darwinists have is where is the missing link? During the early 20th century there was something the scientists called the evolutionary ladder that led to modern man. It began with Nebraska man (fraud) to Peking man (fraud) to Piltdown man (fraud) to Neanderthal (fraud) and then man began walking fully upright. Once that happened then they used their scientific brilliance and made the Black man into one of the lower man evolutions followed by Asian through Slavic, Gypsy, Jew, and then Aryan being the highest form of man which they then attempted to make a super race leading to gas chambers and ovens to purify the race. Good thing science has given up on that evolutionary idea.
Once again science was wrong as it moved away from simple curiosity and investigation and into an agenda driven science and has not moved from there since that time. For any scientist there would have to be millions and millions of transitory species moving from Ape to man, yet not one scientist has found a credible fossil. The evolutions from the ape to man has to have as many separate species as from reptile to ape, yet nothing. Every scientist knows if she finds this fossil she will have instant immortality as they have finally proved God a fake er evolution is true. Even the most basic logic has to tell you if they know where modern man first began in Iran on the Euphrates in the simplest of digging areas there should be a sea of those transitional ape/man species and yet they have not found any. Why? There is only one logical answer and that is that man did not evolve from the Great Apes but came from somewhere else. If there were millions of evolutions between Ape and Man which would take more evolutions than moving from amoeba to ape, it is statistically impossible for scientists to not find at least one! The odds have to be billions and billions to one not to find one of these missing links, yet that is exactly what has happened in over a hundred and fifty years of searching.
It really makes you wonder when science began losing its curiosity of the unknown. There had to be a time when science was as eager to disprove their theories as they are now to perpetuate their frauds? If they have not come up with a credible missing link by this time then what stops them from discarding the entire theory. Sure it is easy to say an amoeba looks like a fish and a lizard walking out of the water looks like a mammal. Then of course the Disney movie continues as a dog looks like a horse and when they go up on two legs the can go from monkey to ape to man, but did that actually happen? There is no proof that is what happened which is the giant hole in the theory they have to fill with consensus, intimidation and purging rather than evidence.
The giant question that is not allowed to be asked is, was life formed by a chain of events making them look similar and have continuity or did that similarity occur at creation? Did science actually invent a theory of our creation or are they simply observing the miraculous continuity of a perfect creator? These are questions science does not want to ask and are beginning to fear the answers. Why wont todays scientists ask the same logical question Darwin asked, "why then is not every geological formation and every stratum full of such intermediate links?"
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I think misrepresenting what we see in God's creation in order to preserve creation myths does drive people away from religion and God.
Fraud according to whom, and which example is the fraud?
You quoted “creationism” websites to support your claim, so I’ll leave it at that.
Are you saying that the Archaeopteryx is a hoax?
Please explain how Darwinism violates the 2nd law.
Ah, the old if it doesn’t agree with me it isn’t valid argument. I quoted Darwin, was he an evil creationist?
Where is your proof of a transitory species? Stop the thug tactics, they won’t work here as well as they do at your liberal sites.
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An interpretation by a creationist of an examination by a creationist? Please. If there is any fraud depicted here, it’s by those claiming evidence of fraud.
Darwin & Co. present certainty it can only be wired in series.The logic which would make the three-quarter-ton at my curb traceable to the first Ford contraption in the Greenfield Village exhibit.
A Cray talking to a toaster.
What contortions, furthering Ptolemy's epicycles.
A profession of grotesque cripples oblivious to the Majesty.
Saw your post and googled: Archaeopteryx, hoax. Not saying I came to any conclusions but try it.
It looks like the putting teeth on a bird was faked to make it look like a reptile. Are you ok with that?
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rchaeopteryx lithographica is regarded as one of the most important fossils ever discovered. This isn't because of any uniquely transitional nature, since many transitional forms exist (e.g. the synapsid to mammal transition), but due to the fact that Archaeopteryx is such a good example of evolution. The skeleton is essentially reptilian, with close affinities to theropod dinosaurs, and possesses teeth, a long bony tail, abdominal ribs and three digits on each hand - characters absent in birds. However, the specimens also show certain bird characters such as a furcula (wishbone) and a retroverted pubis (characters also shared with some dinosaurs) and a opposable hallux (big toe) for perching. Along with these other avian characters, the most spectacular feature is the distinct impression of feathers around the forelimbs and tail, feathers almost exactly like those of modern birds.
The authenticity of Archaeopteryx, or more specifically the authenticity of the feather impressions, was questioned in 1985 by a group which included, Prof. F. Hoyle (astronomer), Dr. N. Wickramasinghe (mathematician), Dr. L. Spetner (physicist), Dr. R. Watkins (medical doctor) and J. Watkins (photographer) in a series of articles published in the British Journal of Photography (Hoyle et al. 1985; Watkins et al. 1985a, 1985b, 1985c). Interestingly, one of the authors (Dr. Spetner) was claiming that Archaeopteryx was a fake as early as 1980 (Trop 1983). Apparently on the sole fact that the London specimen was sold by Dr. C Haberlein and the Berlin specimen was sold by Dr Haberlein's son! (The Harberleins were well known collectors, possessing one of the finest collections of Solnhofen fossils).
Needless to say, these claims were vigourously opposed by the British Museum of Natural History (BMNH). Several people within the Museum collaborated to refute the claims of forgery. These were A. Charig (chief curator of fossil amphibians, reptiles and birds, BMNH), A. Milner (principle scientific officer - fossil amphibians, reptiles and birds, BMNH), C. Walker (senior scientific officer, fossil amphibians, reptiles and birds, BMNH), F. Greenaway (principle photographer, BMNH) and P. Whybrow (photographer, BMNH).
In the first part of their claim that the feather impressions were a forgery, Watkins et al. stated that,
"Although several other reptilian fossils have subsequently been reclassified as Archaeopteryx, the first two referred to above [the London and Berlin specimens - cn] remain unique in that they are clearly of the same prototype and possess unmistakable feather imprints." (Watkins et al. 1985a, p. 264-265).
This was reiterated by Hoyle et al. (1985, p. 694), who suggested that
"the only undeniable featherlike impressions are therefore those on the single feather of 1860, on the British Museum specimen of 1961 and the Berlin specimen of 1877".
This is incorrect. It is true that none of the other specimens have feather impressions as good as those found on the London and Berlin specimens and that the recognition of feathers on the Haarlem specimen would not be possible without reference to the London and Berlin specimens. However, the Eichstatt specimen has clear feather impressions (Wellnhofer 1974) and the Maxberg specimen has impressions in which the structure of the feather is discernable as being typical of that in modern birds (de Beer 1954; von Heller 1959; Charig et al. 1986). Not only that, the feathers of the Maxberg specimen clearly refute any possibility of forgery because they continue under the bones of the skeleton and are overlain by dendrites (von Heller 1959; Chariget al. 1986). (Dendrites are crystal aggregates occurring along flat surfaces, with a tree-like branching pattern. They often occur in cracks or along bedding planes). The Haarlen specimen does show faint feather traces (Ostrom 1972). Feather traces have also been described from the Solnhofen specimen (Wellnhofer 1988). The most recent find, the Solnhofen-Aktien-Verein specimen, has also been described as possessing feather traces (Wellnhofer 1993).
Another statement is,
"The significance of Archaeopteryx lies in the fact that it represents the only unquestionable case of a fossil showing a transition between two vertebrate classes, aves (birds) and reptilia (reptiles)." (Watkins et al. 1985a, p. 256).
Again, this is incorrect. There are numerous examples in the fossil record, with probably the best documented example being the transition between the synapsid reptiles and the mammals (e.g.Kemp 1982; Benton 1990; Colbert & Marales 1991).
A third statement concerns the photography itself. In 1984, Watkins et al. took comprehensive photographs of the London specimen, held at the BMNH, on colour transparency film with a hand-held 35 mm SLR camera and low angle tangential flash lighting. The resulting slides were then enlarged by projecting the slide onto a distant screen and by making black and white prints (Watkins et al. 1985a). When describing the technique used by Watkins et al., they comment,
"Such [photographic] studies have been made earlier but these have inevitably been limited by the techniques available in the past." (Watkins et al. 1985a, p. 265).
This is also incorrect. As the response from the Museum indicates,
"As professional photographers we have studied the fossil under various combinations of light sources, emulsions, ultraviolet reflectance and fluorescence, filtered UV fluorescence, intensive scanning by infrared TV and high photomicrography. These studies have taken place over a number of years." (Parmenter & Greenaway 1985, p. 458).
Indeed, far from being in any way superior to other methods,
"the cursory examination and poor photographs of the authors of the articles [Watkins et al. - cn] bear no comparison with the close scrutiny and exacting standards of the Museum." (Parmenter & Greenaway 1985, p. 458).
The photographs themselves have too much contrast and too soft a focus (Charig et al. 1986), making detailed study difficult and these
"newer photographs compare extremely unfavourably with photographs of the same specimen taken by museum photographers who, several decades ago, were already using low-angle oblique lighting with far greater success" (Charig et al. 1986. p. 623) (See de Beer 1954 for an example of this.).
Indeed, Watkins et al.
"readily concede the rudimentary nature of their photography, but were looking in the time available for evidence to prove or disprove certain specific theories. Ideally they might first have inspected the Museum's photographic records, but, as ever, those holding controversial views preferred to look for themselves before disclosing them" (Crawley 1985, p. 458).
In yet another statement, the authors state,
"It is now generally believed that the skeleton is largely reptilian except for the furcula (wishbone) which is bird-like" (Watkins et al. 1985a, p. 256).
This is misleading. The opposable hallux is also an avian feature as is the position of the pelvis (although this also occurs in some dinosaurs) (see for instance, Ostrom 1976).
Using a series of photographs, Watkins et al. claimed that the feather impressions were fakes. The method used to create the forgery was via the pressing of chicken feathers into a thin layer of artificial cement surrounding a small reptile skeleton. (It should be noted here that although one of the authors - Dr. Spetner - claimed that chicken feathers were used, the impressions do not correspond to chicken feathers, but are more like rail feathers). The cement would have been made by mixing limestone from the same deposit with some binder and which was spread thinly over the surface of the slabs. As corroborating evidence of this several observations were cited:
i) The difference between the surface textures of the limestone in the feathered and unfeathered areas was cited as evidence of the presence of a cement layer around the feathers (Watkins et al.1985a).
The difference in surface texture is certainly real. However Charig et al. (1986) explain it as being due to the impression of the animals body on parts of the surface. An analogy used was likening it to the differences in texture seen between a human footprint in mud and the surrounding mud.
"In other words, it was the feather impressions that caused the differences in surface texture; not that a difference in surface texture (due to some other cause) permitted the preservation of the impressions in some places and prevented it in others" (Charig et al. 1986, p. 623).
If a layer of cement is present, then some sort of discontinuity should be visible between the true limestone and the cement, on the surface and/or in vertical section (a vertical section is a section cut through the slab, at 90 degrees to the fossil). No such discontinuity has been found, even in vertical section. There does appear to be a division in vertical section whereby an upper 500-850 micrometre (1 micrometre = 1/1000 millimetre) layer is separated from the lower layer by a dark band. However, the upper layer shows the same granular structure as the lower layer and the structure is continuous through gaps in the dark band (Charig et al. 1986). Also the complete lack of air bubbles and the presence of calcite crystals indicate that the whole section is original. Besides, the upper layer is far too thin to receive any feather impressions (Charig et al. 1986). A further point worth raising here is that any organic bonding material available to a forger in the 19th century for mixing cement would have shown some evidence of cracking or shrinking away. No such cracking or shrinkage has been observed.
ii) The presence of detailed feather impressions on the main slab, coupled with their absence on the general surface of the counterslab was taken as evidence that the cement layer on the counterslab was removed either because it was too difficult to match the feather impressions or that material fell off when the counterslab was hammered (Hoyle et al. 1985; Watkins et al.1985b).
Fossils from the Solnhofen Limestone are commonly found concentrated on one part of the slab, with only a faint impression on the counterpart. This is because the part containing the bulk of the fossil represents the covering sediment, into which the body of the animal protruded. The faint impression on the counterpart represents the impression made on the lagoon bed where the animal came to rest on the bottom (e.g. Swinburne 1988). In other words, the bulk of the specimen lay project ing above the sea floor and was eventually encapsulated within the overlying bed. Upon splitting along the original sea floor surface, the bulk of the fossil will be preserved in the bed above the spilt, while the original bedding surface will retain only an impression. Thus the part containing the bulk of the fossil represents the overlying bed. This difference between a well preserved part and a poorly preserved counterpart is well known in Solnhofen fossils. Thus, using this differential preservation as a criterion for forgery means that all Solnhofen fossils must be suspect!
iii) The occurrence on the slabs of smooth, flattened, slightly elevated areas resembling "blobs of chewing gum" (Watkins et al. 1985a, p. 265), only a few millimetres in length and not always matched by corresponding depressions on the opposite slab (Watkins et al. 1985b), some bearing faint but detailed feather impressions. This was claimed to be fragments of the lost cement layer which was not fully removed (Watkins et al. 1985b). Hoyle et al. (1985, p. 694) stated that these "blobs" are
"without any place to go should the main slab and counterslab be closed like the leaves of a book."
In other words they claimed that the slab would not fit tightly with the counterslab since the "blobs" did not correspond to any depression in the counterslab.
These "blobs of chewing gum" appear to be natural irregularities in the surface of the slab. Indeed,
"careful casting of the surfaces of both main slab and counterslab shows that there is always a good fit between the two, except where it has been destroyed by subsequent preparation. In no case is there an elevation on one slab 'without any place to go should the main slab and counterslab be closed like the leaves of a book.'" (Charig et al. 1986, p. 623).
iv) The regularity of the side veins of the feather impressions was claimed to indicate a forgery, since the limestone could not have split so evenly as to break along the length of the feathers (Watkins et al. 1985b).
The Solnhofen Limestone is well known for its smooth, level bedding planes along which it readily splits, providing an ideal, flat, smooth surface for use in printing and for exposing fossils. The extremely fine texture, essential for printing, is ideal in preserving the most delicate anatomical structures, such as the medusae of jellyfish, the hairlike setae of crustaceans and the wing membranes of pterosaurs (Charig et al. 1986; Barthel et al. 1990).
v) The apparent "double strike phenomenon" was claimed to indicate that the same feather was printed twice in a slightly displaced position and was thus indicative of a forgery (Watkins et al.1985a).
The reproduction of a double impression would be harder to forge that a simple single impression, thus making it unlikely that a forger would attempt such a double impression. Besides, it is also observed on the Berlin specimen and has recently been much more convincingly explained as representing two overlapping feathers (Rietschel 1985).
vi) The tail is in fact one large tail feather and the caudal vertebrae are in fact the central axis of the feather (Watkins 1985a).
Not only is the tail "obviously segmented" (Charig et al. 1986, p. 625), individual feathers can be seen attached to the vertebrae via ligaments (de Beer 1954; Charig et al. 1986).
Apart from the above comments, Charig et al. (1986, p. 623-624) cite further evidence against a possible forgery.
"Our conclusive evidence of the authenticity of the Archaeopteryx holotype, however, is provided by what appear to be a number of fine lines on the main slab that run in various directions across the feather impressions in the region of the forelimb; some of them extend through the bony elements ofthe skeleton and on to the tail. They are difficult to spot with the naked eye, but their presence is shown with great clarity by critically lit ultraviolet photography. Associated in a few places with the more easily visible linear staining of an orange-brown colour, they are presumably hairline cracks and are generally filled with mineral matter. These cracks are also present on the counterslab in precisely the same positions."
This indicates that there is no intervening cement layer between the two slabs, as does the presence of manganese dioxide dendrites which have grown over the feather impression in some areas. These too match precisely on the two slabs, even in microscopic detail (Charig et al. 1986).
Watkins et al. offered two reasons for the forgery, both implicating the then Superintendent of the Natural History departments of the British Museum, Richard Owen (Runyard 1985). Firstly they suggested that Owen forged the impressions to provide evidence in support of Darwin's ideas on evolution. Given Owen's hostility towards Darwin and his ideas (not towards evolution, merely towards Darwin's ideas on evolution) this is extremely unlikely. The other reason was that Owen laid a trap for Darwin, to tempt Darwin into making a fool of himself by declaring the fossil proof of evolution and then revealing the "evidence" to be a forgery. This however is ludicrous. Owen himself made a detailed description of the specimen (Owen 1863) thus laying himself and his reputation open to ridicule should the specimen prove to be a forgery. Besides, although Darwin knew of the specimen, he made only passing reference to it, describing it as "that strange bird Archaeopteryx" (Darwin 1866). He knew that one specimen could not prove his ideas on evolution.
In 1988 Spetner, Hoyle, Wickramasinghe and Magarits published a further piece concerning the analysis of two small rock samples taken from the London specimen, one from the feather region (called FM) and one from one side of the slab, away from the fossil (called MM). After the analyses were complete, several claims were made.
"Our contention is that the feather impressions were forged onto a fossil of a flying reptile." (Spetner et al. 1988, p. 15).
The only flying reptiles known (excluding Archaeopteryx and related forms) are the pterosaurs. However, Archaeopteryx does not possess the skeletal morphology to enable it to fly in the same way that pterosaurs did. Pterosaurs have been found in the Solnhofen limestone, complete with impressions of the wing membranes. No fossil reptile with a skeletal morphology similar toArchaeopteryx has been found with these membranes. Spetner et al. give no comment as to how this "flying reptile" managed to fly without the aid of feathers or, apparently, a membrane similar to pterosaurs. Indeed, it is likely that such a reptile could only have flown if it possessed feathers.
"The hairline cracks that they report to appear across the feathered region could have occurred naturally on the forgery premise. As the stone underwent slight movement, a crack in the underlying stone would tend to come through a thin layer of cement that had been placed on the surface." (Spetner et al. 1988, p. 16).
This fails to explain what is observed. The "crack" had been naturally infilled with calcite prior to the alleged forgery, thus the crack as a space to initiate upward propagation, no longer existed (fig 1).
Not only that but if the crack did propagate upwards, there would be a gap - within the crack - between the top of the calcite infilling the original crack and the top of the added layer of cement (fig 2).
However, analysis of the slab shows the situation to be like that in Fig 1. So, in order for Spetner et al. to be correct, not only does the crack have to propagate upwards, but the infill has to mobilize and fill the gap between the old top of the slab and the top of the cement layer. This cannot happen merely by a "slight movement" of the slab. The presence of a number of these cracks in the configuration shown in Fig. 1, refutes the presence of a cement layer. The explanation in Spetner et al. (1988) is not viable.
"With regard to the claim that the dendritic patters appears on the feathered region, we can only say that they must have been mistaken. Fig. 1 shows the same dendritic pattern to which they referred, but it shows it in much greater detail than their figure. Fig. 1a is a photograph of the same area as shown by Charig et al. Fig 1b is a map of the area shown in Fig 1a to enable the reader to locate the detail in the photograph, the viewing of which may be facilitated by the use of a magnifying glass. In Fig 1, the dendritic pattern can be seen to lie wholly off the wing region, only abutting it on the patterns lower edge. The outline of the wing is indicated in Fig 1b by a heavy double line. Note that the dendritic pattern lies totally above the wing and just abuts it on the lower edge. . . . . The museum refuses us any additional access to the fossil so we have to make do with photographs that we already had. In any case, what is clear is that the dendritic patterns do not lie on the feathers as claimed by Charig et al." (Spetner et al. 1988, p. 16, original emphasis).
The claim that the dendritic pattern does not lie on the feathers is false. Fig 3b from Charig et al. (1986) clearly shows the dendritic pattern overlapping the feather impressions (note: this is clearest on the counterpart slab, fig 3b, not the slab figured by Spetner et al. - possibly because they did not photograph the counterpart slab?). Also Spetner et al.'s claim relied on their poor quality photographs of one area and a rather crudely drawn "map". Charig et al. (1986, p. 624) clearly stated that the dendrites "have grown over the feathers in places" (emphasis added). There is more than one occurrence. This, combined with the higher quality published photographs in Charig et al. (1986, fig. 3) clearly showing the dendrites overlapping the feathers, means that this refutation by Spetner et al. is unconvincing.
"Figs 4 are SEM photographs of the samples. A typical photograph of the MM shown in Fig 4a, which shows calcite grains varying in size from about 1 to 5 micrometres. These grains are typical of the fine carbonate structure one would expect to find in Solnhofen limestone. The FM, on the other hand can be seen to consist of a similar material with the addition of an unknown non-crystalline substance." (Spetner et al. 1988, p. 16-17)
It should be pointed out that their fig. 4 comprises 6 SEM photographs, one of the matrix material and 5 of the feather material. It is difficult to accurately compare the two samples since the SEM of the matrix material is shown at a higher magnification that those of the feather area (with the possible exception of figs. 4c and 4f which show close-ups of the "anomalous material", but these two have no scales included). Thus any apparent visual difference in the bulk make-up of the two samples (excluding the "anomalous substance") is an artifact of differential resolution. There appears to be no evidence of a fine binder of any kind in the rock matrix of the FM (feather) sample. In fact the matrix looks identical to the MM (matrix) sample.
"The unknown substance comes in various shapes. In some cases it has a rod-like appearance to which carbonate grains have adhered, as seen in Figs 4b and 4c. In other cases this substance has an odd shape as shown in varying magnifications in Figs 4d, 4e and 4f." (Spetner et al. 1988, p. 17)
The "rod-like" form is long and thin and hair-like. The "odd shape" is an amorphous, round blob, 0.0025 mm in diameter. The carbonate grains adhering to the unknown substance are extremely small, at 0.0006 mm.
"Note that the carbonate grains lie both above and below the non-crystalline substance. If the material were simply applied to the surface of the fossil as a preservative, as the museum proposes, one would expect to find it lying wholly above the carbonate grains." (Spetner et al. 1988, p. 17, original emphasis).
This claim is not supported by the photomicrographs. These show that the unknown material is clearly separate from the matrix carbonate. They appear to lie wholly above the carbonate grain matrix. Spetner et al. suggest that because the material is not at the surface, it cannot have been recently introduced except as part of a cement. However, the unknown material is clearly not forming part of any cement. Also the size of the sample (a few micrograms) means that the surface under examination is only a few 10ths of a millimetre below the original surface - although it is difficult to judge where the original surface was, since there is no indication of orientation in the photomicrographs - thus introduction into minute cavities in the surface cannot be ruled out. The carbonate grains which are coating the unknown substance are very small and were most probably dislodged during the cleaning and/or casting process, and adhered to the unknown material in the same manner that dust adheres to surfaces.
"An X-ray chemical analysis of the unknown substance in Fig. 4f is shown in Fig. 5. At low irradiation energy (10 kV) the analyser shows peaks of calcium, silicon, sulphur and chlorine. At higher irradiation energy (25 kV) peaks of zinc and lead appear. The intensity of the X-rays emitted from the elements detected in the unknown substance in the FM sample was relatively low. This low intensity suggests that the main chemical component of the unknown substance has an atomic number too low to appear in the analyses. Since our instrument does not detect elements whose atomic numbers are lower than that of sodium. We can only suspect that the unknown substance is principally carbon, and that it is likely to be of organic origin. The size of the sample that we received from the Museum did not permit a true chemical analysis in which organic substances could be identified." (Spetner et al. 1988, p. 17).
Their Fig. 5 is labeled, "X-ray luminescence results from amorphous body shown in Fig. 4f." However this is incorrect. The analysis was obtained using Energy Dispersive Spectrometry - "X-ray luminescence" is not a term that is used to describe X-ray analyses. The analysis produced peaks for calcium, as expected, but also for silicon, sulphur and chlorine (see Fig. 3) - not elements usually associated with organic matter.
The sulphur peak must be regarded as suspect since the low resolution (140-150 ev) of energy dispersive spectronomy will fail to differentiate between a Ka sulphur peak and a Ka lead peak, especially at 10 kV. At 25 kV a lead peak appears, indicating the presence of lead and thus at least a portion of the "sulphur" peak, at 10 kV, must be regarded as lead (again a substance not associated with organic matter).
Several things should be pointed out at this point:
When these facts are taken into consideration, a much more likely explanation presents itself.
The "unknown substance" analysed by Spetner et al. was, most probably a fragment of silicone rubber which had becomed entrained just below the surface of the slab during its fluid phase. But would a piece of silicone rubber produce the X-ray spectrograph shown? Well, the chemical formula of silicon rubber is show in Fig. 4.
The large amount of silicon found in silicone rubber can explain the silicon peak seen in the spectrograph. As for the claim that the low intensity of X-rays emitted
"suggests that the main chemical component of the unknown substance has an atomic number too low to appear in the analyses. Since our instrument does not detect elements whose atomic numbers are lower than that of sodium. We can only suspect that the unknown substance is principally carbon, and that it is likely to be of organic origin." (Spetner et al. 1988, p. 17)
The presence of carbon, hydrogen and oxygen in silicon rubber (see Fig. 4), all with atomic numbers below that of sodium, can account for this, without the need to invoke organic matter.
But what of the chlorine peak? Well, the presence of chlorine is a problem if the material was of organic origin, but is no problem if the material is silicone rubber. Silicone rubber is commonly fixed with substances called Trichlorosilanes (SiCl3H) [no prizes for guessing what the "-chloro-" stands for! :-)], the mixing of which results in the locking together of long polymers strands of the rubber (Fig. 5).
A byproduct of this reaction is HCl. Thus the chlorine peak could represent unreacted Trichlorosilane fixer, or a residue of HCl.
No evidence for the presence of an organically bound cement is presented. Photomicrographs indicate that there is no difference in the matrix from the fossil area as compared with the limestone. No organic matter was detected in the samples analysed. The presence of organic carbon is a suggestion presented by Spetner et al., but is one which is inconsistent with the chemical analyses presented in the article. These analyses suggest that anomalous material analysed by Spetner et al. is more likely to be silicone rubber from a mould prepared before the rock sample was taken, than an organic residue from - or included in - some sort of cement.
Hoyle and Wickramasinghe appear to still be confused over the preservational style of Archaeopteryx.
"The original piece of rock containing the genuine Compsognathus fossil was probably split with a bias of bones towards the main slab, but the bias could not have been so well marked as we see . . " (Hoyle & Wickramasinghe 1986, p. 51).
As Swinburne (1988) points out, the splitting is a fundamental property of the rock (it splits along a bedding plane, leaving the fossil mostly on one side. Also,
"it would be impossible we think for a bird-like creature to fossilise in such a way that the impressions of tens of thousands of feather barbs were all confined in an ordered way to a single surface, even if it be supposed possible to find that initially unknown unique surface working inwards from a boundary of a chunk of rock" (Hoyle & Wickramasinghe 1986, p. 59).
As explained by Swinburne,
"Hoyle and colleagues have misapplied the depositional theory, unaware of the attitude of the fossil. Archaeopteryx came to lie belly-up with wings outstreached on an extremely flat, well consolidated surface. It was covered by a pulse of suspended sediment which rained down into the stagnant pond in which it lay. The wings were then flattened against this plane by the weight of overlying sediment." (Swinburne 1988, p. 276).
This surface would eventually be the one which splits resulting in the assymetric preservation of the part and counterpart.
The evidence claimed by Watkins et al. to indicate that the feather impressions are a forgery appear to be easily explainable by natural processes. Detailed study of the London specimen both across the surface and in vertical section have failed to provide any evidence to support the contention that a layer of cement is present. The method claimed to have been used to produce the forgery cannot explain the presence of fine lines crisscrossing the fossil, or the matching dendrites on the slab and counterslab, which occur on top of the feather imprints. The feather imprints on the Maxberg specimen, despite claims to the contrary, are clearly identifiable as such. In this case, forgery of the type envisaged by Watkins et al. can be discounted because of the fact that the impressions run underneath the bony elements of the skeleton.
Something that should be obvious to anyone is that
"any conclusions about the authenticity of the fossil should be based on the best possible evidence. Photographs are just one ingredient of such evidence" (Parmenter & Greenaway 1985, p. 458).
Watkins et al., however, cite as evidence of their claims a set of "rudimentary," "poor" photographs having "too much contrast and too soft a focus," without looking at the much more extensive and better quality Museum photographs.
The claims that the feathers of Archaeopteryx are fake has been shown to be unsupported. Thus the claim that "the significance of Archaeopteryx lies in the fact that it represents the only unquestionable case of a fossil showing a transition between two vertebrate classes, aves (birds) and reptilia (reptiles)" has been upheld. In other words, Watkins et al. claim that Archaeopteryxrepresents a transitional form, but cannot be accepted as such because it is a forgery. Since the claim of forgery has not been substantiated, Archaeopteryx must therefore be an example of a transitional form by Watkins, et al.'s own admission (notwithstanding the fact that they mischaracterise Archaeopteryx as the "only" case).
I doubt however, that this particular quote will show up in any creationist literature.
Thanks go to Rich Trott for suggesting improvements. The text was originally coverted to HTML format for the talk.origins archive by Brett Vickers.
This is a University of Ediacara Palaeontological Contribution.
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Just how fine do you want this missing link to be? We share 99% of the DNA of a chimp. You have to realize fossils are rare things, they are only form under special conditions, of course they are going to paint an incomplete picture. Last I heard there were only 7 Tyrannosaurus Rex fossils found on the entire earth!
You really are beating a dead horse here, the story of evolution is validated by numerous independent paths, Astronomy, Geology , Physics, Chemistry and Biology all arrive at the identical answer : The Earth is 4.5 Billion years old and life changes with the times.
Pot/Kettle/Black
A Darwinist talking to an evolutionist and nobody else counts.
Where is that proof we have been asking for? Do you have anything other than insults?
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So give us some proof if it is so obvious and been so well documented. We understand you are a believer and think God is a cute little opiate for the masses, where is your proof after 150 yrs.
Apparently, Darwin was also questioning as are we. It is time to choose between one theory or another. Where is your documentation of the DNA claim when it is far more complex than can be explained. That is a weak argument.
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Another fake statistic from the Darwinists:
http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/tj/v17/n1/dna
Unlike your other website posts, you will be checked by skeptics on this site. I know, something science never does anymore. It’s all agenda driven consensus and we are seeing many of their tactics right here. It really is a cult.
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When Darwin came up with his theory, supporters thought the cell was “a blob of protoplasm”. So the theory could have been the result of a simplistic amount of knowledge. However, I think it was something more sinister. Lowering man to the level of animals or insects or sea sponges or whatever serves a purpose. Is it a coincidence Darwin’s cousin Sir Francis Galton was eugenics pioneer?
Wikipedia is a good tool for many different subjects but not very reliable for politics or science subjects that relate to political propaganda. Darwinism is a political propoganda tool that is used to stamp out religion in society. Its a theory that cannot be proven unless you have a time machine or unless you find the millions of missing link bones buried out there. Where are all those bones? Did the monkey gene just all of a sudden switch to the homo sapien gene? Darwinism on Steroids maybe? I thought Darwinism was a cellular mutation process created by natural selection over long periods of time? How long does it take to go from a flat head to a round head? How long does it take to go from a hairy tree climbing ape to a Victoria Secret Supermodel? How come that caveman guy in the GEICO commercial can speak English, drive a car and bowl a 170? These are questions that cannot be answered by Darwin or by Science or especially by Wikipedia.
It is no coincidence. Back then it was an agrarian society which said you could breed bigger, stronger livestock just like you could breed superior people.
There is no coincidence eugenics was taught along with evolution. Just as it is no coincidence it is the foundation of the Democrat Party and their communist agenda.
You see no proof in this thread from their side, only attacks and name calling.
First of all I not only believe in God but think beating this dead horse gives the forces of the left ammunition to call Christians fools. The technique to determine the differences in DNA is not that complicated. You recombine 1/2 of A with half of B. The more links that fail to match up the more the melting point is changed .
Before I offer any proof of evolution answer me this, how old do you think the Earth is and how long do you think life has been here?
I was called as a servant (dulos=bondslave) to Satan (whatever my state in worldly life); but freed from that by The Christ, I became free only to become His bondslave, not to simply do as I wished from then on.
In formulating your doctrine, please at least take into account the associated verse 22:
"For he that is called in the Lord, being a servant, is the Lord's freeman: likewise also he that is called, being free, is Christ's servant."
One may think the Darwinian concept of "survival of the fittest" applies, but in fact it is in vain, unprofitable, empty; for all created human souls survive. But only those kneeling to The Christ in total submission will gain eternal absolute life, at the end.
This has nothing to do with "the fittest."
All the talk and philosophy in the world will not and cannot change that. So much for "evolution."
Your statements are not necessarily correct. However, they are rude and infantile. Perhaps you should not try to critique anyone else’s writings until you learn some manners.
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