Posted on 01/16/2013 5:55:19 AM PST by Uncle Chip
Good grief. Am I losing my mind? Where are Madeline’s and Samantha’s legs?
And isn’t little Samantha’s left hand making a devil’s horn sign, and little Madeline’s right hand also making a devil’s horn?
Hmmmm, where did we hear that on this thread?
Oh yeah, it was you in post #6.
I'm skeptical of my government, and any media story. But I'm also skeptical of folks who'll go out and find asinine conspiracy theories and re-post them verbatim.
“Bears repeating: Not EVERYTHING that is odd is also relevant. “
Absolutely true.
However, if you are investigating a crime or putting together a case to prosecute or defend a criminal, or any investigating other kinds cases that involve looking at clues then you better damn well be looking at things that are “odd”.
For instance, a forensic accountant had better be looking for “odd” things. They may be relevant. They may not be relevant. But he had better not just brush them aside and certainly should not forget the oddities exist. The clue might come later to put the puzzle together.
There was footage....guy in the woods....car search....people on the roof. Footage exists of many things we are not seeing. Perhaps of inside the school or of entry into it.
This did not happen as claimed. People are dead.
O. How many unused schools do you know that can be readied and refurbished in three weeks or less? Construction workers must have swarmed the area. P aid for by.....? Are construction people, security, network, electrical...that good at their jobs? Did the school have asbestos to be cleaned? Code inspections?
We're seeing an entire Sandy Hook Truther cottage industry being built right before our eyes. It's all over Facebook, YouTube, and the news comments. The conspiracy theorists are even starting to harass survivors and witnesses accusing them of being in on it.
Sick.
Post them verbatim???? Did you see me post about two girl’s legs? I don’t think so.
I am not in EITHER category. There are more than two categories.
Btw, Satanism is a REAL thing practiced by REAL people taught to REAL children.
So is witchcraft.
So is teaching children to martyr themselves to kill the white devil
So is Nazism.
Etc.
It's been a month. How long will you ask the same questions and not seek answers to them -- just ask and ask and ask with no intention of getting an answer.
I dare to post a police timeline dispatch as evidence and that's not enough. Then an interview with a credible witness and that is not enough.
You ask a question and get an answer and then object to the answer as if I had the audacity to answer it.
If you don't want it answered then don't ask it.
CNN says 20 minutes
“Police and other first responders arrived on scene about 20 minutes after the first calls.”
http://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2012/12/us/sandy-hook-timeline/index.html
“What are “they” investigating?”
A mass murder.
“If everything that we have been told is true then what is the use of withholding evidence? Video, witnesses, autopsies, etc. etc.?”
Nobody is withholding any evidence, as far as I know. Withholding evidence means that you have evidence which you are keeping from the proper authorities. You are not the proper authority, so just because they haven’t shown you the videos or autopsy reports doesn’t mean that anyone is withholding evidence.
“As I remember after 9/11 if anything was found out during the investigation then the press was all over it. With this there is no reporting, basically none, about anything being investigated.”
Different investigations are handled differently. Sometimes, a lot of information is released to the press during the course of the investigation, and sometimes, hardly anything at all. It’s all up to the discretion of the investigating body, whether that be the police, the District Attorney, or some special commission. If they choose not to release all the evidence within the first few weeks of an investigation, it does NOT constitute any evidence for a conspiracy, since it is not unusual at all.
“According to the govt. narrative the lone shooter is dead. What are they gonna do? Try him for murder? There is no reason to investigate if the authorities have been upfront so far.”
All the 9/11 terrorists died in the attack, and yet we still had to do an investigation. There is always an investigation for any homicide, even if the suspected murderer dies while committing their crimes. Conspiracy theorists are pushing the idea that there are multiple shooters, but for all you know that is one of the things that they are investigating at this very moment! You have no way of knowing that, or the results of any such investigation, because you are too impatient to wait for the investigation to conclude before spouting your half-cocked theories.
A distinction without a difference. Everyone here can see that you're copying "where's the girls legs" and "the girls are making satanic hand symbols" questions from other sources.
Accusing a dead girl's family of practicing satanism because you read it on a conspiracy website is really disgusting.
You are a certified kook, and a sick one at that.
It’s all about context, and it’s the context that allows you to determine what is simply odd to you and what is relevant. You can’t allow your focus to be distracted by completely irrelevant data.
For instance, the “devil’s horn sign” is an utterly laughable issue to bring up or even consider. You see devil’s horns, I see children. My own daughter does that very thing where she sucks her middle two fingers with her palm outwards. A photo of her with this is totally and completely irrelevant to a mass school shooting. Further, those of us with children know that humans are not born knowing what are considered rude or controversial gestures. I have seen family photos wherein it appears children are flipping the bird at the camera...they don’t know it’s rude. And what’s the implied cause of such signage? That the kids are satanic?
Any investigation must separate the noise from the signal. Do you risk filtering out some signal when you do that? Sure...but there’s nothing in other evidence to indicate that these particular issues are anything other than a typical American family being a typical American family.
But the police dispatch that was publicly recorded and documented says 3 minutes to 5 minutes.
Who do you believe: CNN or the police dispatch???
3-5 minutes wouldn’t have been enough time to kill 25 people, with an average of 6 wounds per victim, in multiple locations, plus himself. That is 150 shots he would have gotten off, not including misses and survivors that were hit. Logic tells me to go with CNN on this one. Then again, who knows how long it was going on before police were notified, but that would also give enough time for a second shooter.
There are more than two categories. You are indicating that I have done
MORE THAN ONE thing that I have not done.
I didn’t accuse her family of being Satanists.
I asked why was the girl giving that sign. She does it in multiple pictures.
Maybe her Dad is a heavy metal rocker. He doesn’t look like it. But he could be. Just like he could be a Satanist.
You don’t know.
I don’t have a problem with that site questioning time stamps. You should.
I don’t have a problem with people combing through evidence.
I think it should be done.
I wish I was an expert in photoshopping to determine if that photo had been photoshopped.
Of course, it really wouldn’t tell me anything at this point because the photographer could have photoshopped.
I do subscribe to the theory that disinformation may be in play.
But then again, I scrutinize
You probably accept that Ted Kaczynski was just some nut job.
I don’t.
I know that MK Ultra succeeded in programming people to kill on command without remembering it. I know that Kacynski was experimented on without his approval by someone who had been associated with the CIA.
Now whether he short circuited because he was experimented on or whether they turned him into a killer that went awry , or they trained him to kill for some reason that we don’t know, or whether he was always truly a nut job.. - I don’t know the answer.
I do know there is sufficient cause to wonder.
I don’t care who calls me a kook.
I like to look at hard evidence.
Do you still not realize that one of the primary points "the nutters" are trying to get across is that the government (police) and the media (CNN) are not consistent in their story-telling? It's been a month. I do not think that a clear picture has emerged. You yourself have to ask "Who do you believe: CNN or the police dispatch???"
This is indicative that the story of Sandy Hook is a bit muddled. Yes, people have to ask questions. You're the one who seems uncomfortable with people asking questions. You give no real answers, but respond to questions with your own questions -- when I pointed this out to you, you said (Post #106) "You ask a question and get an answer and then object to the answer as if I had the audacity to answer it." No. You didn't post an answer. You posted a question in response to a question. But you want people to believe you have answers.
To quote you again: Who do you believe: CNN or the police dispatch???
Reasonable people ask the question and realize that someone, somewhere, is not telling an accurate story -- and that begs the question: Is it on purpose? Are people being lied to, in order to push a political agenda, or are people (police/CNN, etc.) simply making mistakes?
“Conspiracy theorists are pushing the idea that there are multiple shooters, but for all you know that is one of the things that they are investigating at this very moment! “
So then why is it a “conspiracy” theory if there is evidence to suggest that it is a possibility. It doesn’t mean there were multiple shooters. It means was there evidence to suggest that there might have been.
Wow. So you believe CNN over the local police??? Careful -- your true colors might be showing through.
Did you miss the timeline at #13??? I know CNN did.
Shooting started at about 9:35 and he shot himself at about 9:46. That's 11 minutes.
At 45 rounds a minute he had plenty of time to fire off 150 rounds.
Do you believe the building was cleared 7 minutes after the initial report?
“Sure...but there’s nothing in other evidence to indicate that these particular issues are anything other than a typical American family being a typical American family.”
He did act weird in his interview but that could be grief.
It’s okay to give him the benefit of the doubt.
And it is also okay for me to wonder why the girl has multiple photos with Satan’s symbol.
Bet you would have never guess this guy was a child molestor.
http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20115294,00.html
You never know what is behind the facade of the typical American Family.
But I am a cynic.
The problem is that your search for more and more “hard evidence” becomes unreasonable and an insult to people who have been devastated. These questions have simple, benign answers that have been given over and over again.
I’m beginning to think it’s true that some don’t want their questions answered.
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