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The Inconceivable Embarrassment From Cold Fusion
New Energy and Fuel ^ | Dec 10 2012 | Anon

Posted on 12/10/2012 5:50:12 AM PST by Wonder Warthog

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Transmutation in LENR replicated. Note that the companies that are making the announcement(s) are not small, fly-by-night firms.

The possibility that LENR is fraudulent, or a result of error is now non-existent, and "the ducks are coming home to roost".

1 posted on 12/10/2012 5:50:19 AM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: Wonder Warthog

For those of you interested in an in-depth discussion of the science in language a layman can understand, but with sufficient depth to be convincing to the dedicated scientist, this book:

http://www.amazon.com/Excess-Heat-Fusion-Research-Prevailed/dp/0967854830/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1355146973&sr=1-1&keywords=Excess+Heat+Why+Cold+fusion+science+prevailed

is excellent.


2 posted on 12/10/2012 5:52:05 AM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: Wonder Warthog

http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/IwamuraYobservatiob.pdf

Link to the Mitsubishi research.

It should also be noted that the Toshiba work was reported at a meeting of the American NUCLEAR Society.


3 posted on 12/10/2012 5:54:33 AM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: Wonder Warthog

Academia is full of pc nonthinkers


4 posted on 12/10/2012 5:55:25 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Wonder Warthog; Kevmo

Bookmark.


5 posted on 12/10/2012 5:59:38 AM PST by SunTzuWu
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To: Wonder Warthog
Transmutation in LENR replicated

Or so they say.

The possibility that LENR is fraudulent, or a result of error is now non-existent,

The possibility that LENR is fraudulent, or a result of error is now exactly the same as it was before. UNTIL this is PUBLICALLY DEMONSTRATED it still just remains CLAIMS.

6 posted on 12/10/2012 6:04:00 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: yldstrk

. . . and while claiming moral and intellectual superiority to the masses, they have reverted to a base human characteristic . . . the self-righteous ba$tards are greedy and selfish . . . they are on the take


7 posted on 12/10/2012 6:17:08 AM PST by RatRipper (Self-centeredness, greed, envy, deceit and lawless corruption has killed this once great nation.)
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To: Wonder Warthog

It is amazing that the global warming pseudo science gained wide acceptance despite strong evidence it does not exist and was based on manipulated data, while “ cold fusion” has far more credible research supporting it and has not been taken seriously.


8 posted on 12/10/2012 6:18:36 AM PST by The Great RJ
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To: RatRipper

they are wine swishing morons feeding at the public trough


9 posted on 12/10/2012 6:21:54 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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Only the very brave and eccentric have ventured out with Andrea Rossi leading the way.

You had me until this.
Andrea Rossi is a complete fraud.

10 posted on 12/10/2012 6:29:12 AM PST by Politically Correct (A member of the rabble in good standing)
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To: Wonder Warthog

It doesn’t inspire confidence when nuclear physicists mis-spell spell “length” in one of their figures.


11 posted on 12/10/2012 6:32:10 AM PST by Brooklyn Attitude (Obama being re-elected is the political equivalent of OJ being found not guilty.)
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To: The Great RJ

Easy to answer, cheap energy bad, and must be discouraged, expensive unreliable energy good and must be encouraged. Left wing cronies get nothing out of it.


12 posted on 12/10/2012 6:32:24 AM PST by dsrtsage (One half of all people have below average IQ. In the US the number is 54%)
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To: Brooklyn Attitude

mis-spell spell? Damn it.


13 posted on 12/10/2012 6:33:34 AM PST by Brooklyn Attitude (Obama being re-elected is the political equivalent of OJ being found not guilty.)
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"The possibility that LENR is fraudulent, or a result of error is now exactly the same as it was before. UNTIL this is PUBLICALLY DEMONSTRATED it still just remains CLAIMS.

Uh, the criterion for validity is replication, which has been done, and in the case of Mitsubishi, published. "Public demonstration" has precisely nothing to do with science.

And I'm sure you'll also come up with some reason to ignore Celani's results, which HAVE been "publically demonstrated" multiple times.

Skeptopath thinking.

14 posted on 12/10/2012 6:47:20 AM PST by Wonder Warthog
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"You had me until this. Andrea Rossi is a complete fraud."M

So, the mere appearance of the word "Rossi" makes all the other facts inadmissable?? That attitude sounds like pathological skepticism to me.

15 posted on 12/10/2012 6:48:19 AM PST by Wonder Warthog
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“The possibility that LENR is fraudulent...” - WW

The probability of fraud the same as it was. Check your logic.

Since some stock certificates are true and valid, are all stock certificates true and valid?

If presented with a stock certificate from BNY Mellon, do you treat it with the same precaution as you would from one claimed to be found in grandma’s safe? How would you treat one presented from a convicted forger?

The scientific process and search for truth is about independent verification. Trust nobody. Instead get their procedures and replicate the findings.


16 posted on 12/10/2012 6:50:48 AM PST by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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"It doesn’t inspire confidence when nuclear physicists mis-spell spell “length” in one of their figures."

LOL. MOST physicists can't spell for sour apples, and in this case you're also talking about "English as a second language", as the speaker is Japanese.

All of which is irrelevant to the FACT of replication, by solid researchers at world-class organizations.

17 posted on 12/10/2012 6:50:56 AM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: Brooklyn Attitude

Too funny. Karma.


18 posted on 12/10/2012 6:55:10 AM PST by MPJackal ("From my cold dead hands.")
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>> For those of you interested in an in-depth discussion

Yeah, “in depth discussion” is the ONLY thing the LENR “industry” has produced. With a liberal amount of whining as a by-product.

I’m not interested in “in depth discussion”. Won’t heat or cool my house.

Got power?


19 posted on 12/10/2012 6:55:46 AM PST by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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"The probability of fraud the same as it was. Check your logic."

My logic is just fine. Note "LENR" as the broad class. That there may be some individuals practicing fraud within that broad class is not what I'm referring to.

According the the hot physicists, ALL LENR research is either fraudulent or mistaken. That position is now untenable by any measure.

"The scientific process and search for truth is about independent verification. Trust nobody. Instead get their procedures and replicate the findings."

Which is precisely what has been done, and what the article refers to.

20 posted on 12/10/2012 6:56:13 AM PST by Wonder Warthog
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