The Inconceivable Embarrassment From Cold Fusion

New Energy and Fuel ^ | Dec 10 2012 | Anon

[ZX12R]

Oh stuff and nonsense! Cold fusion is still a hot air balloon. And I’m still waiting for the promised water heaters.

Don't hold your breath while waiting. Cold fusion/low energy hocus pocus, will never come out of the closet housing the kooks,the obsessed, and the unreasoned optimists. If there were even just a meager hint that there were anything to it, every researcher throughout the world would be working on it, hoping to be the first to develop an actual device with some inherent value, or to be the person responsible for giving a black eye to the current standard model of physics. It is tantamount to believing in ghosts, and there are plenty that do, so, no doubt there are plenty of believers in this too.

[TXnMA]

If it is "unquestionable" (just like the AGW "consensus") -- then it is not science!

Kevmo and his seagulls have brainwashed you...

[from occupied ga]

If, at this point, you haven't taken the time to examine the evidence, you deserve to be insulted.

Not only are you an obnoxious douchebag but you're also really a classic dunning/Kruger (The low side)

[Moonman62]

http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/IwamuraYobservatiob.pdf Link to the Mitsubishi research.

That's a link to a pdf on a blog. It doesn't appear to be published or peer reviewed.

[Moonman62]

Iwamura spoke of the replication at the American Nuclear Society’s LENR session on Nov. 14th 2012 in San Diego. Krivit reports Iwamura saying the Toyota researchers confirmed that nuclear changes from one element to another took place without the use of high-energy nuclear physics.

This was a panel discussion sponsored by Krivit. It doesn't appear to be confirmed or peer reviewed in any way.

[Moonman62]

Nobody has "pushed" Rossi's work on FR.

The last two articles on FR on cold fusion in the past week have mentioned Rossi who is a certified fraud.

This thread is not about Rossi. If you want to actually discuss the article or the science, stick around. If not, I suggest you not "click here"

Your article mentions Rossi, so it's legitimate to discuss. You're not the moderator who gets to censor others.

[Moonman62]

For me, forty years, instrument R%D, 24+ patents, and a similar number of referred publications, plus two R&D 100 awards.

What patents and what awards? Otherwise, you're making an unsubstantiated claim.

[ckilmer]

If Rossi turns out to be true, well and good, and the world will benefit. If he turns out not to be, LENR is still there, and still valid science.
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Its important to distinguish between Rossi and LENR. LENR has seen some significant replication of results by scientists around the world. Rossi is just a guy with a dream that never quite materializes.

[Wonder Warthog]

"Oh stuff and nonsense! Cold fusion is still a hot air balloon. And I’m still waiting for the promised water heaters."

The only "stuff and nonsense" here is your posts. This discussion is about science, experimentation, and scientific validity....not water heaters. Rossi may be a hot air balloon, but LENR certainly is not.

[Wonder Warthog]

"If it is "unquestionable" (just like the AGW "consensus") -- then it is not science!"

Actually, it is the pathological skeptics who are "doing the AGW thing" (and in fact, the biggest pushers of AGW are also physicists). And like AGW, the SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE has built up to the point that the reality of LENR cannot any longer be denied by propaganda methods.

"Kevmo and his seagulls have brainwashed you... "

Not a bit. I have made my decisions strictly on the available evidence. The amazing thing is that so many here have not taken even a tiny amount of time to study that evidence, but bloviate constantly about how fraudulent the topic is.

[Wonder Warthog]

"Not only are you an obnoxious douchebag but you're also really a classic dunning/Kruger (The low side)"

LOL. Certainly no more obnoxious than one who constantly blathers on about the invalidity a scientific effort without having taken the time to examine the data.

[Wonder Warthog]

"Don't hold your breath while waiting. Cold fusion/low energy hocus pocus, will never come out of the closet housing the kooks,the obsessed, and the unreasoned optimists. If there were even just a meager hint that there were anything to it, every researcher throughout the world would be working on it, hoping to be the first to develop an actual device with some inherent value, or to be the person responsible for giving a black eye to the current standard model of physics. It is tantamount to believing in ghosts, and there are plenty that do, so, no doubt there are plenty of believers in this too.

Beaudette's book also gives an excellent analysis of why "every researcher throughout the world" is NOT working on it. I suggest you educate yourself about the evidence by reading it.

[count-your-change]

A scientific curiosity has been demonstrated. Amazing! High fives all around. Now it’s getting rid of nuclear waste and hot water heaters..

[ZX12R]

Beaudette's book also gives an excellent analysis of why "every researcher throughout the world" is NOT working on it. I suggest you educate yourself about the evidence by reading it.

There are books about ghost hunting, too. One man's "excellent analysis" is another man's unreasonable speculation and bullshit.

[CodeToad]

"Rossi’s work has been pushed on FR for years."

No, it has been talked about, but his work has never been published.

Here's that address:

All that nuclear science being done in an apartment? Wonder if his neighbors knew. lol.

[CodeToad]

“The science is now unquestionable. “

Only by the feeble minded that like hearing big sounding words. Cold-fusion has never been replicated. There’s always an excuse why it couldn’t be done.

[TXnMA]

"And like AGW, the SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE has built up to the point that the reality of LENR cannot any longer be denied by propaganda methods."

Are you saying that BOTH AGW & LENR are "reality"?

[Kevmo]

Kevmo and his seagulls have brainwashed you...
***My post #64 was removed. You're allowed to call us seagulls but we aren't allowed to call you the same thing.

So the skeptopaths are allowed certain tactics on FR but the LENR afficianados are not.

And even though the Anomalous Heat Effect has been replicated hundreds of times by more than a thousand scientists, even in mainstream peer-reviewed journals.

https://springerlink3.metapress.com/content/8k5n17605m135n22/resource-secured/?target=fulltext.pdf&sid=xwvgza45j4sqpe3wceul4dv2&sh=www.springerlink.com
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Jing-tang He
• Nuclear fusion inside condense matters
• Frontiers of Physics in China
Volume 2, Number 1, 96-102, DOI: 10.1007/s11467-007-0005-8
This article describes in detail the nuclear fusion inside condense matters—the Fleischmann-Pons effect, the reproducibility of cold fusions, self-consistency of cold fusions and the possible applications
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Note that Jing-tang He found there were 14,700 replications of the Pons Fleischmann Anomalous Heat Effect. http://www.boliven.com/publication/10.1007~s11467-007-0005-8?q=(%22David%20J.%20Nagel%22)

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National Instruments is a multibillion dollar corporation that does not need to stick its neck out for “bigfoot stories”. After noting more than 150 replications, they recently concluded that with so much evidence of anomalous heat generation...
http://www.22passi.it/downloads/eu_brussels_june_20_2012_concezzi.pdf
Conclusion
• There is an unknown physical event and there is a need of better measurements and control tools. NI is playing a role in accelerating innovation and discovery.



The current state of the science of LENR is that the Pons Fleischmann Anomalous Heat Effect has been replicated and it is an established scientific fact. But it is not an established ENGINEERING field because the effect is difficult to generate and there is still some lingering stigma associated with the field. The level of pathological resistance this field receives is unconscionable for those of us who seek scientific answers and engineering solutions.

[Wonder Warthog]

"Are you saying that BOTH AGW & LENR are "reality"?'

No. I'm saying that AGW is a fraud, and LENR is real, with the accumulation of hard scientific evidence at the core of each conclusion.